View Full Version : 4AGZE now or 3SGTE later?
I have a 1991 AE92 Corolla SE hatch, with a 4A-F engine (that's the 1.6L carburettored model), with 276,000 kms on the clock. I've always had intentions of thinking about an engine conversion after i reach 300k. The rate i am going i will reach that by the end of this year.
I've thought that a 100kW 4AGE, 20 valve 4AGE, or the 4AGZE would be the logical choices. After some reading and people's comments it seems that the 4AGZE is favourable over the 20 valve. I also suppose it then makes sense to shell out the extra outlay to drop in the 4AGZE over the 100kW 4AGE, as the extra cost wouldn't be that huge in relation to the overall price?
Then i found out about the 3SGTE.
The idea of putting that in has, to put it eloquently, got me by the balls :)
To do this i would have to hang out an extra year or two, and i understand it would cost considerably more, but it seems like the ultimate choice.
So my dilemma is this:
A 4AGZE engine has come up for sale for around $2500.
It is a late model AE92 version, with the larger NEVO supercharger pulley, 4-1 extractors, the 4AGE gearbox, PBR clutch, lightened flywheel, and Wolf3D ECU. An intercooler is not included.
Is this a good enough buy to snap up now, (earlier than intended) and get put in, or would it make more sense to just hang out a couple of years for a 3SGTE conversion down the track? Or get this now and do that later?? Obviously a bit would be lost with labour costs this way.
What extra costs would be involved with dropping in the 4AGZE on top of the purchase price? Also, i am thinking a 3SGTE conversion would be in the order or 5000-8000 dollars? How far off the mark would i be here?
Lots of questions, but any thoughts or answers at all muchly appreciated!
04-06-02, 08:19 AM
How much power are you used to? If your last car before purchasing the AE92 was a Nitromethane funny car or a S/C V8 powered torana... then the 4AGZE would run the risk of being a let down.
However if this AE92 is currently the fastest car you've owned (or close thereto) then the performance of the 4AGZE will probably be more than sufficient to keep you grinning from ear to ear for quite some time.
I was asked a similar question recently by a good friend he had an earlier corolla (AE82) and wanted to know what to do to make it go faster. In response to which I told him to sell it and buy a sprinter, which he has now done.
On an unrelated but interesting side note, he bought the AE82 some two and a half years ago for $1000, he sold it two weeks ago for $3200... I hate this man.
go to the forum on the www.4agze.com or www.toymods.org website.
I heard somebody around here has a fwd corolla with a 3sgte in it.....
fits with a lot of man hours and work, and its gonna take u a while to sort out suspension setup to get traction and many other issues since yours is carbie. 4AGZE goes pretty well and makes much more bottom end torque. =]
12-06-02, 12:25 AM
With all the research i've done on both these conversions, i would have to say go with the gze for what u want.......it seems the most likely choice for u from what u've written....but there are other factors, such as, are u gonna keep your car for ages, or sell it within a year or two?
This is an important question to answer, because u may be spending heaps of money for the conversion, which you will never get back after u hav sold your car......
my advice is hav a good think about what u want your car to do, and what you want it to be (i.e. a clean streeter, a drag car, a show car, etc.) and then u should be able to decide what type of engine u can put in.
12-06-02, 04:42 AM
Recently helped complete a 92 GTi with a 4AGZE conversion, and I can say that the low down torque is phenomenal. But the car torque steers like a bitch (great for merging lanes)
MY GOD DON'T PAY $2500 FOR A 4AGZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They're the pick of the bunch as far as the motors go (4AGE is uninspiring, the 20v is both uninspiring and expensive, and the 3SGTE is a difficult conversion), but my god they're not worth $2500. Shop around, you'll find one much much cheaper than that. Yes, it's modified.. but I'd be very wary of someone selling a heavily modified combo. You're better off putting one in from an importer with a warranty and then seeing how that suits you. If you want more power from there, get a turbo manifolod made up for it.
esteban...i dont think u really know what torque steer is =] when you torque steer in 4th gear....thats torque steer...
12-06-02, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Shifty
MY GOD DON'T PAY $2500 FOR A 4AGZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is true.....u can get a full half-cut for way under $2500 with waranty and all......i suggest u shop around more before u commit yourself to anything.....
13-06-02, 07:43 AM
Shifty - "4AGE no inspiring"
Bite ya bum!
13-06-02, 02:37 PM
im feeling rather inspired :D
must be the socks that inspire me!!!
but really only a person like bill would build a motor that tough....most 4age's arent close to that.....and havent had every internal replaced!!!!
3sgte inspires me though!
13-06-02, 06:32 PM
Um, that's actually my 'medium' ~185hp engine. The new 1600cc 4AGE based engine will have more like 230hp in road trim.
Should be a bit more fun. ;)
Billy boy, i like your style!!! :p
13-06-02, 08:47 PM
bill what you do for a living a drug baron!!!
13-06-02, 11:53 PM
747 pilot actually.
Good money if you can get it.
16-06-02, 11:00 AM
At $2500 did you say the motor came with wolf3d ecu?? If included and wired and tuned- probably not a bad deal. If you save money at an importer then want aftermarket ecu it will cost more than $2500.
the 4agze should be heaps of power if you have stock suspension and wheels. no traction is fun for the first while, then it gets annoying :)
a friend bought a front cut of a ae101 4agze for $1800. id be careful with buying that package, it obviously been flogged and do you know how much boost has been run through it? (could have been over boosted and due for a rebuild soon) i wouldnt buy it unless you have test driven it in another car.
a 3sgte would be great and alot of fun but do you really need torque steer in 4th? spend the same amount of money on the ze and you can have around the same power eg 20valve head + turbo
im not sure how the 4age gearbox would hanlde the extra power, i think it is recomended to use a ze(come with front cut) or 20v box.
17-06-02, 01:22 AM
why dont we cut the to the chase...2JZ.
you know you want to.:D
I thought this thread died two weeks ago :0
Well i ended up buying the package, for 2600.
Shifty, your comments made me sink into my chair for a little bit, but i am getting aircon and the GZE radiator, and other associated bits and pieces thrown in aswell. And FJ-GEM, yes, it comes with the Wolf3D and loom, just needs to be hooked back up. I really don't think the engine has been thrashed. It's done less than 45,000, and the car it's from is a bit of a show pony these days... hasn't seen the road in a long time.
As far as boost is concerned, i didn't think you could actually control it with a supercharger to the extent you can with a turbo. I was under the belief that the boost is determined by the size of the SC pulley and the amount that is let to bleed off?
Could anyone give me a run down on the basics of this?
I know you can get front cuts for ~2500 but i think the Wolf3D and larger pulley make it a decent buy.
Thanks for all your comments,
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