View Full Version : advice - any toyota engine in a RWD celica??
01-08-02, 04:51 PM
after being a member here for a while,
im keen to start my own "project!"
im a V8 man, but would love a force fed car!
i was thinking of the RWD celica, 197? ? ? model!
what toyota engine would suit the celica?
and gear box?
is the 7MGTE a good option?
or the superchagred 1GGZE?
would the celica 5 speed be able to work in this?
any sites or anything for more info??
thanx heaps guys!!!
oh, and whats the best model celica for this??
Go and join the forums at http://www.toymods.org.au, those guys will tell you everything you need to know.
Old RWD Celica's are a great start for a project car, but don't try putting a big inline six like a 7M or 1JZ into one - there isn't really enough room for an engine that big. Sure you can shoe-horn one in if you try hard enough (people have done it), but it completely screws up the handling of the car - and that's what makes old Celicas so much fun in the first place, they're light and "chuckable".
Anyway, G series engines are a popular swap for old Celicas, and there are quite a few ToyMods members who have done this. I wouldn't bother with the supercharged version, you're much better off with the twin-turbo 1G-GTE. The great thing about 1G's is they're so cheap - you can get a manual turbo front cut for under $2k if you shop around!
As for the best model, I reckon the 75-77 RA23 coupe is the pick of the bunch (I own one of these). There is also the liftback version of the same car, sometimes known as the "Mustang shape", but they're harder to find in decent condition. They have enough room in the engine bay for a big four or a small six, they come standard with a 5-speed transmission, and they don't weigh too much (less than 1100kg).
01-08-02, 07:33 PM
thanx heaps for that norbie!!
i will be signing up to toymods!
the 1GGTE - how much power does that put out stock?
im guessing its a 4 cyl?
thanx heaps mate!!
01-08-02, 09:25 PM
The 1GGTE is a six cylinder 2 litre twin cam twin turbo EFI. Can't remember off hand how mcuh power but I think it is around 150-160Kw.
I almost agree with Norbie, just add the TA23, same shape just has a 1.6 instead of the 2 in the RA23
personally I would look at the 3SGTE, from the celica GT4 or Altessa, it's a 4 cyl, will be lighter than the 1GG and has more power. the only catch is it is quite expensive compared to the relatively "disposable"1GG engines.
02-08-02, 12:41 PM
1g-gte would probably be the best toyota engine to use from a budget point of view though. Its not that old, and comes out in a rwd configuration stock.
The 3SGTE probably capable of making more power, and being only 4 cylinders long, probably gives a better wieght distribution. However as they're a east-west engine, a lot more work actually getting the thing mounted right, gearbox's and bellhousings to bolt up, blah blah.
More expense, which could be spent on the 1g or elsewhere...
Does it *have* to be a toyota motor? ca18det/sr20det swap would also be a nice engine to have in.
I've outlined how to put a 3SGTE in a T/RA23 on here a million times, search for it.
Putting Nissan motors in to the old Celicas is a waste of time and a bloody big headache. The gearboxes don't even come close to fitting in length, which means lots of custom parts. Why bother if there is one that will slot in?
You can buy my TA23. Have a look at the avatar :)
02-08-02, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Kangz
You can buy my TA23. Have a look at the avatar :)
yes, but u r in perth!!
Cmon Chris, go a Nissan engine ;)
Otherwise i'd be looking at the 1G-GTE for sure
Get someone to check it out over here and get some happy snaps.
I am getting real sick of looking at it.
T T Celica
02-08-02, 05:33 PM
My 1GGTE RA23 on 13.5psi with 3" exhaust did 152RWKW, on a respectable/accurate dyno. 0-100 in 5.5 (G-Tech) with me and fat prick that owned the g-tech in the car. The conversion (if done urself) will cost around $3500-$4000...or you can pay BD4s $8k+ to do it, and probably **** it up.........
Got a few mates who actually paid that much and had more problems with them than u could poke a stick at!!
And while im here, budget about $2000 for a descent diff (Hilux the best bet), because smashing 11 centres in 5 months is a fuggin pain in the arse!!!
I got the Celica you can buy. Easy :) Rego and driveable! Everything in awesome condition!
Then, it has some 4 spot R32 GTR brakes with braided lines and a 1" master cylinder (near new). Cool.
Then, I have a Hilux LSD 4.3 Diff sitting next to it in the drive way awaiting the mounts to be welded on (something I can get done at no cost).
Then a full track/street suspension setup is sitting under my feet in my computer room as we speak. Koni adjustables, adjustable swaybars, adj. strut tops, springs, bushes and adj/ panhard rod.
Come on! It is begging for another engine!
Buy it Chris, it looks good, sounds great, get it trucked over :)
02-08-02, 08:16 PM
i got yer PM......lets just say - you have me thinking!!!!!!
I could drop it over and catch up with all the east coast PF'ers. I need a nice holiday :D
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