EF XR6 Twin Turbo Stationwagon

[bike_boy]

Hi,

my dad, who for some reason likes his EF series 2 Ford Fairmont Wagon, wants to do it up. We read an article about a twin turbo XR6 set up, good for an easy 220Kw at the wheels. This got him interested.

Our first problem is trying to find somewhere that would have an XR6 engine and gearbox. Next is trying to strengthen up the chasis and drive train to deal with 220Kw. Do the suspension and brakes, and what ever other little things it might need.

If any 1 knows where u could get the engine stuff (we're in Adelaide) it would be a big help. Also, any 1 have an idea of what this would cost all up?

Finally, would it probably be easier to start off with an EF series 1 XR6 wagon and just do the modifacations to it, insted of transplanting the engine?

Thanks for any help

[Skizz]

Just buy one of the new XR6 Turbos coming out soon!!! nice looking and probably cheaper in the long-run.:D
the new BA XR's look very sexy....:D

skizz:D

[Forg]

If you're fitting a turbo or two, I don't see the need to go to the effort of putting an XR6 engine in there. Is the Fairmont engine in OK condition to start with? The EF only had 7kW between XR6 & std engines, didn't it? The turbo's going to be enough of a mod that I personally think the engine-transplant isn't really required in the first place.

The suspension is certainly better on the XR6, but by the time you sell & buy a car, you could've spent the money that goes west on some suspension upgrades. :) The XR6 seats & wheel may be sportier, it depends on whether he's willing to lose a few other luxo features I s'pose ... but I still don't think I'd be ditching the Fairmont in favour of an XR6, myself. And if the Fairmont is in good condition, consider that EF XR6's are within a reasonable price range, so it may be hard to find one that hasn't been punished.

[LJ38L]

put s supercharger on it, or buy one of the new turbo falcs when they come out...much cheaper option.

[Forg]

Originally posted by LJ38L
put s supercharger on it, or buy one of the new turbo falcs when they come out...much cheaper option.
Hmmm ... dunno about that, an EF Fairmont is probably worth about $10k, yet a new turbo Falcon will probably be pushing $50k. Even if it costs $10k to turbocharge it, the new Falcon would easily be dropping that $10k as soon as it leaves the showroom floor, and you've still got money tied up in a depreciating asset.
The supercharger idea is probably a good one though ... can probably be done without custom manifolds. I also don't know that twin turbos are needed for a 6cyl Falcon; 220kW should be a walk in the park for a low-blow moderate-sized turbo application to the standard-compression engine, shouldn't it?

[LJ38L]

Originally posted by Forg

The supercharger idea is probably a good one though ... can probably be done without custom manifolds.
You dont need to touch the exhaust manifolds.


220kW should be a walk in the park for a low-blow moderate-sized turbo application to the standard-compression engine, shouldn't it?

Easy i recon...wasn't there someone trying to sell a Turbo foulcan of some sort on here a while ago 400od HP at the wheels from memory.

[bike_boy]

Ive seen the work done on an XR6 engine. The result was 220kw at the wheels at about 4000 rpm. strangly it used less fuel that when it was NA. All the parts used only cost $5000 keeping all the standard drivetrain. The bigest cost was the 90 hours of workshop time, adding up to about $5500. But luckily, dad and i could do most of the work in our shed, fairly well equiped.

BTW the EF engine makes about 140kw at the fly wheel, the XR6 has 167kw. Its basicly a better hear, valves and ECU.

[bike_boy]

The bigest problem i can see is, the gearbox. Dads is an auto, and we want it to be a manual. This means he'll prob have to buy an XR gearbox, and try yo hook it up. Any idea what we'll have do and a general price?

Ill find out exactly what they did to that XR6, it was in zoom numbers 30, 31, 32 and 33. The article was called workhorse wake up.

[EvilChief]

well if u wanna do a proper job on the genuine ford engine u probably end up putting even better parts into that engine than the xr comes with from factory ... but yea its a little bit of a difference

[bike_boy]

Ok heres what they used

GT-R intercooler - $750

twin stock GT-R blow-off valves - $200

relocating the factory transmission/power stearing cooler - $20 in woth of bits off an R33 GTS and a 180SX

Move battery out of the way, into custom inclosure in the rear - unknown

Bosch K-Jetronic-style fuel pump - unknown

two VG20 turbo's - $500

two part manifold, made out of cast steam pipe bends - $100 plus welding and port matching - unknown, probably alot seeming it took the guy almost 30 hours

assorted turbo brackets - unknown

oil lines and juntion block - unknown

pair of pod filters and piping - $250

twin 3" dump pipes, 4" collector, 4" cat, 4" truck muffler - unknown - probably alot

8.8mm custom leats - unknown

new distributer - unknown

30lb/hr Ford Motorsport injectors - unknown

this made 202kw @ 4000RPM at the wheels full boost coming on at 1600RPM

then

properly tuned it made 210kw on a standard ECU, just tweaked a bit

It ran a 13.404 @ 103.66mph on cheap arse 225's

all up the cost of the parts was $5000, and $5000 for the 90 hours of workshop time

[bike_boy]

Please note: - the car has to be a Wagon because its a work car, if the new XR6 comes in a manual Wagon, dad will probably get it insted. But if not, its gonna be mod the 1 he has.

[CXTdreamer]

Theyve already got a EF XR6 aswell, but the fairmont is a work vehicle... he needs a big wagon which is why he wants to keep the Fairmont

[Drew-AE86]

hmm, sounds like a good idea man.

The turbo wagon would be a full sleeper, aslong as u left it lookin stock...

All those commodore drivers would get the shock of their life if they pulled up next to it. And yes, ur shed is capable of nearly nething, i even used it a few times myself :D :D

A bit of the topic here, but does ne1 know if the XR6 Turbo is an actual unique engine, or is it jus the standard engine with the turbo bolted on???

Cheers
Andrew

[fkncrzy]

Do it, and leave exterior standard none of your airbrush rice ideas :D
Are you going to make the turbo exhaust manifold?

[bike_boy]

Dad reckons he's a poor TIG welder, but he knows some 1 good, and im airbrushing my bike, not a car.

[Forg]

Originally posted by bike_boy
BTW the EF engine makes about 140kw at the fly wheel, the XR6 has 167kw. Its basicly a better hear, valves and ECU.
Actually, I beg to differ; you can double-check this on the Red Book site (actually, I will before I post it, so I look slightly less like an idiot than I currently do :)), but I'm pretty sure the EF Fairmont has 157kW, the XR6 has 164kW.
That's only 7kW difference ... and in fact, because it's a slightly more peaky power delivery & XR6's have a fair bit of equipment, people who've compared stocker 5spd GLi's with 5spd XR6's reckon the GLi is no slower ...

For 7kW of difference, I doubt it's worth spending the money sourcing the XR6 motor. In fact, you could probably get head work & a cam for the existing motor (which you're probably pretty confident about the condition of) for less than the XR6 motor would cost, and easily beat an XR6 in terms of n/a power; let's call it 175kW (and I suspect that's conservative). Run half a pound of boost without lowering the compression ratio and you're talking 260kW or so at the flywheel ... take that back a bit 'cos of either the turbo in the exhaust system or the drag of the supercharger, but it'd still be a bit of a weapon IMHO (& a comfy one to boot). If you can do it for $5k, then that's brilliant IMHO. :)
[I was thinking new prices for things like turbos, I think LJ38L probably was too]

[Forg]

Originally posted by Mr_TRD
A bit of the topic here, but does ne1 know if the XR6 Turbo is an actual unique engine, or is it jus the standard engine with the turbo bolted on???
I doubt anyone here really knows 100% (any Ford engineers here? :D), but I'd be willing to put a lot of Bill Sherwood's money on it being virtually the same except with a modified ECU program, different cams, & slightly lowered compression ratio.
If they're talking only a 50kW jump over the standard engine then I can't see it running much boost, so it almost has to be a low-blow engine like the majority of Saab & Volvo turbos. If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see what fuel economy it gets, because one of the reasons Saab gave for having an all-turbo range was that they reckoned it gave the same (or better)fuel economy as a n/a car that's struggling a bit with an engine of the same capacity (although base Falcodores have engines that're never "struggling" to pull the car around, I suppose).

[bike_boy]

I heard that test showed 290kw at the flywheel, runing shit all boost, a restrictive exaust/ ECU/ air filter. As i hear it they are trying to prevent it from making their top "performance" XR8

[TIKFD6]

Any pics bike boy?

cheers
kerry

[bike_boy]

any pic's of..........?

[TRD-RT81]

If its a work car with bother with the manual, much nicer to keep your boost between gears i say!

Allan

[DNC]

there is a lot more to building a manual turbo wagon that meet the eye.

im currently building a turbo EA falcon with an ED 4.0ltr.

you need
Bosch o44 fuel pump $450 (add $200+ if external)
decent 9" or LSD $450-$1000
custom turbo manifold $800+
the VG20 turbo's on the workhorse wakeup shat themselves so the went with RB20det ECCS T3 Roller Bearing turbo's
$400ea +
chiptorque piggy back system $600
decent air filters $100ea
dump pipes and exhuast $700
gtr cooler $700+
cooler piping $250
injectors $1000
malpassi fuel reg $200

and plenty more just can't think of it atm

but with the manual set - up, there will be problem as the ford t5 gearboxs cannot handle much more than 250flywheel kws, let alone over 200rwkws. the only option there are to either source a toploader (4sp.) or find a Supra turbo 5sp, which has taken me 16months to find one and there not cheap, $2000+ and then you have the clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel to contend with, shorten the tail shaft, and then you have a turbo falcon.

the gear box set up will cost $2000 approx (toploader, clutch, pressure plate, & bell housing)
and $3920 for the supra turbo 5sp. (g/box, clutch, pressure plate, tail shaft mods, gear box mount)

after all i have done with my car, i really not sure if it is all worth it. a 1JZGTE or RB20det conversion will most likely end up cheaper.

don't mean to dampen your spirits tho.....just food for thought

cheers
daniel