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Hi, I was just fed some lines from a tyre shop on the negatives of using Asymetric tyres ins Sydney. He gave me a looong talk on the designer of Sydney roads and the necessary camber to get the water off the roads when we have our big thunderstorms. This camber in the roads wears out the left side quicker and you end up shortening the life of your tyres with Asymetric, as you can only rotate on the same side, as opposed to opposite corners.
With more and more asymetric tyres coming on the market, like Yoko A539 and the new Michelin Pilot Preceda, have any of you had problems with wear?
BTW, the guy was nice enough, don't think he was feeding me lines to sell particular tyres, just trying to do the right thing by me, but I'm still interested to know if it really is that bad a problem.
Cheers,
Lincoln
What a great load of bollocks. You drive to a tyre shop in a GTi-6 and he thinks your primary concern is whether you can rotate your tyres all over the shop and get that little bit more wear out of them!
On my GTi I have absolutely perfect wear across the tyre. From new P6000s to bald, I have no scrubbed edges, nothing, just even wear. And I hammer the bejeezus out of the poor thing!
The rear tyres wear pretty evenly too, although if you're doing lots of hard stops and handbrake turns you'll wear the inside more due to the -2 degrees neg that is standard.
So - go to the tyre guy and say even tyre wear is not a problem, rotating on the same side is not a problem, show me some tyres that will PERFORM well.
BTW I had a wheel alignment performed with a shade under -1 degrees negative camber on the front, and 1 degree toe in (neutral toe and toe out causes wear problems apparently), and I'm very happy with the results - cornering and tyre wear etc.
Cheers,
Adrian
PS welcome to Performance Forums, you know me as ntrx on AussieFrogs... :)
PS Around here I havn't seen many people exactly rave about the A539...
Cheers,
Adrian
Yep, I know who you are Adrian! :) As you can see I needed another avenue to go on about my current fetish of all things black and round! hehe.
I've read lots of the tyre comments here and the general dissaisfaction with the A539, appears being a fan of A520 and A509 don't hold much with this tyre. Good to hear that Yoko is so good at assisting owners with their problems on this tyre.
This was a phone call, I didn't see him, nor did I mention that it was for a GTI-6, I was actually helping a mate with new tyres for his Ford Mondeo Ghia and talking about the Michelin Pilot Primacy...but it got me thinking about the tyres I need for my GTI-6. The new Michelin Precedas I'm waiting on are asymetric, so just wanted to be sure...
I've never had an uneven wear problem on any of my cars...nor do I really think that a few mill are going to cause me grief. All the more reason to get some new tyres, I say!
- Lincoln
Originally posted by GTI124
This camber in the roads wears out the left side quicker and you end up shortening the life of your tyres with Asymetric, as you can only rotate on the same side, as opposed to opposite corners.
With more and more asymetric tyres coming on the market, like Yoko A539 and the new Michelin Pilot Preceda, have any of you had problems with wear?
Lincoln
errr asymmetric can be rotated from side to side, they can run in either direction. You only have to make sure the tyre is mounted on the rim with the correct edge facing 'outwards'
Directional tyres cannot be swapped from one corner to the opposite as they will then be running backwards
As GTI6 said anyway - what a crock! camber on the bloody roads?? That'd be the least of your tyre wear issues if your a sporting driver!
Oh yeah and I would not touch A539's ever again
maybe I should've said Asymetric and Directional...I'm not aware of any Asymetric tyre that isn't directional.
Originally posted by GTI124
Hi, I was just fed some lines from a tyre shop on the negatives of using Asymetric tyres ins Sydney. He gave me a looong talk on the designer of Sydney roads and the necessary camber to get the water off the roads when we have our big thunderstorms. This camber in the roads wears out the left side quicker and you end up shortening the life of your tyres with Asymetric, as you can only rotate on the same side, as opposed to opposite corners.
With more and more asymetric tyres coming on the market, like Yoko A539 and the new Michelin Pilot Preceda, have any of you had problems with wear?
BTW, the guy was nice enough, don't think he was feeding me lines to sell particular tyres, just trying to do the right thing by me, but I'm still interested to know if it really is that bad a problem.
Cheers,
Lincoln Find a new tyre bloke, quick. If he suggested rotating (radial) tyres to the opposite side of the car, then he has NFI what he's talking about.
Originally posted by GTI124
maybe I should've said Asymetric and Directional...I'm not aware of any Asymetric tyre that isn't directional.
509's were asymmetrical only - along with my current Azenis, there are quite a few actually
There are also many directional tyres that aren't asymetrical
Merry Vanly Stan
04-09-02, 09:22 PM
ask your tyre bloke if he sells polarizers.
thanks guys, been a great laugh. Turns out his comments were probably related to bad experiences with asyms in the 60s! Yeah, that's relevant to the tyres in 2002!!!!
Anyway, thanks. I only called him for a price and endured 15 minutes of this....yaaaawwwnnnn
Unfortunately my normal tyre guy doesn't appear to know anything except Yoko A539 nowadays...sigh. Glad I've got some enthusiasts to direct me! :)
Boxer, yeah, I had the 509s...just didn't give my tyres THAT much thought...ie, didn't think it was an issue before this bozzo came along. Now, I can continue to ignore his comments! hehe
Yeah the tyre retailers have been pushing the A539s really hard at me... and offer a whole lot of advice that totally contradicts any tyre advice I've received from enthusiast friends.
One guy was pushing P6000s at me... ARGH!
Passion-Fingers
05-09-02, 09:54 PM
uhh.. I unfortuneatly have A539's...
I hate them
sidewall is so soft and they just don't seem THAT grippy at all..
Thats just how I feel anyway
the tyre guy I went to assured me they were really good
yeah right..
The bastards!
Tyre Salespeople SUCK!
what problems have people been having with A539s? I have them on my SSS and they're pretty good if you ask me. Maybe they've changed something since I got them?
If they are no good, what do you suggest in a 205/50 r15 size?
- Cheers
Splash, do a search on A539 on this forum and you'll see some negative comments, mainly in regard to not enough grip and too soft a sidewall. But there are some that are happy as well!
The general consensus is the Dunlop FM901 is the tyre to get. I can't comment on them yet, as I get them early next week.
In 205 50 R15, you have a wide choice of tyres, much more than I have in 195 55 R15. You could take anything up to the new Yoko AVS ES100. All depends on your style of driving. Have a read of the Sumitomo thread for the top tyres in EVO in Motor tests, I'd be trying to get the new Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (http://www.goodyear.hu/termekek_01.php?pr_tipus=Eagle%20F1%20GS-D3) , but they don't make it in your size, yet (me too!)
- Lincoln
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