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Chaps,
What's a good, sticky (price isn't much of an issue) legal tyre for a 15" wheel? The wheel is 6.75", so I was thinking either 195 or 205. The problem is they've gotta be V-rated (240km/h yeah?)..
It's for that 89 Peugeot 405MI16 that I'm thinking of getting (needs new front tyres), if that makes any difference. P-Zeros are available in the size, but Q reckons they're crap (he sez go for the Falken Azenis').
Any other opinions?
Chris
Makes sure it's the Falken Azenis RS, not the standard Azenis.
I've got the Dunlop FM901s on the GTI which are 195 55 R 15s, and am veryhappy with them. I'll be trying to the Yoko AVS ES100s next though, just to see what they're like.
Not sure what the profile is on the Mi16, for some reason I'd assume they're the same as the S16 and GTi6...if so, then there's not a huge choice in that size.
The others that i considered were:
- BF Goodrich Profiler G (made by Michelin)
- Michelin Pilot Preceda (just released this month)
- Pirelli P7s
- Dunlop LM702s (comfort oriented tyre)
There's not a great deal else available that's worth considering in that size...
Isn't the RS an R-compound tyre though? I mean, summer's coming up and all, but don't they suck in the wet? I had R-compound Bridgestone Potenza RE540Ss, and they were horrible in the wet. I know the other Azenis is the ST115 or something. Actually the Azenis RS seems to be priced pretty well, $240/ea (incl fitting and balancing) in 205/50/15.
The Mi16 has got the 15x6.75" wheels on it now, but AFAIK they came stock with 195/55s. Not sure if they were 14"s or 15"s though, but I think the former..? Being an 89.
I don't want comfort, I want fasts :D
Well Adrian (Gti6) is very happy with the RSs, as is Chipper on his 205. They've had no problems in the wet and are getting very good mileage out of them.
I've also heard that running 205 50s on the 15" rim doesn't improve things and can make the handling worse.
rj-astra
11-10-02, 10:08 PM
Didn't the 89 model have 14inch wheels?? Or are they aftermarket..
Fancy putting jap tyres ona Peugeot.. what is the world coming to... :(
Try the new Michelin Preceda
Originally posted by rj-astra
Didn't the 89 model have 14inch wheels?? Or are they aftermarket..
Fancy putting jap tyres ona Peugeot.. what is the world coming to... :(
Try the new Michelin Preceda
:D :D :D :D Yes, well each to their own! I'd be very interested to hear what those Michelin Pilot Precedas are like....but then again, I'm a bit of a tyre freak :rolleyes:
Chris,
The Azenis are good. They are nowhere near as bad in the wet as you would expect being about the same as an A032R and better than a D01J. Both of these tyres will shit all over the Azenis in the dry though.
I've just worn a set out on my rex and I'm trying to decide whether to get them again, or something else. I'll watch this thread with interest.
I really don't understand why some people insist on French/European tyres for a Peugeot. They put Japanese tyres on top spec Porsches so what's the problem. What's next, Australian tyres on Australian cars? Go the All Rounder! ;)
I read an article in Christophurus magazine about the lengths Porsche go through to test various tyres for a particular model - and can recommend a particular type for particular usage etc. It was mentioned that they are constantly doing this for every new season because a given brand of tyre may be completely different once it's revision comes out.
So if the argument is the suspension was designed around a particular make of tyre, surely 10 years of tyre development, technology, changes and models etc would render the argument irrelevant.... or are there special attributes of a French tyre that remain constant over time?
Certainly I'm sure the Michelin Pilots are great in most conditions (as indicated by the Motor tyre test where the Contisport 2 and Pilot were 1st and 2nd overall, respectively) however having been in a Pug equipped with RE711s, Yoko A032s, and Falkens on my own, I really don't see what the problem is with Japanese tyres on a French car. All of them compliment the respective chassis' superbly. I've been in a 205gti with Michelins that was absolutely dangerous. The jap tyres I've listed represent great value IMHO.
Anyway, back closer to topic - the Falkens are much better in the wet than I expected - I had initially calculated a massive trade off for dry weather performance as there is no centre channel, and massive tread blocks. However, where previously my inner wheel would light up in 2nd gear around a corner when wet, I now have axle tramp in 1st (unless I really try do so, but I don't see the point). The car just pulls harder than I ever need it to in the rain. A few test emergency stops shows they work very well and it's harder to get the ABS to kick in.
In the same tyre size as you need Chris, they were $180 a pop, and I reckon they're great value for performance/wear. I don't drive very quickly when it's wet so whatever trade offs there are that I havn't discovered yet are obviously not much of a problem!
My car was unsafe with Pirelli P6000s, and a number of other forum users can attest to that. One forum member driving my car managed to get the tail hanging out at around 60kph on a very large roundabout. The difference between the old tyres and the new RSs is beyond what I could have hoped for... prompting the car to go sideways on a public road is something I'll never be able to do (I'm not that stupid!), and said roundabout has been tried out around 25-30kph faster before I gave up in the name of safety (don't worry, it's a LARGE roundabout, not a piddly one!)
Cheers,
Adrian
rj astra - I thought you commended the Toyo Proxes T1S that you had fitted on your 306 GTi?
Originally posted by GTI124
Well Adrian (Gti6) is very happy with the RSs, as is Chipper on his 205. They've had no problems in the wet and are getting very good mileage out of them.
Okay, maybe I've got the wrong idea here..? I seem to have this pre-conception that the Azenis RS are in the same league as the Bridgestone RE540S and the Yokohama A032R. You know, balls-and-all dry weather performance but pretty sinister in the wet.
Can you guy shed some light on this with me.. or am I sorta correct? Perhaps if the Falken RS is a balls-and-all dry tarmac car, but with still good wet-weather performance..
I've also heard that running 205 50s on the 15" rim doesn't improve things and can make the handling worse.
Well the car actually has 195s on the front and 205s on the rear! Running 15"x6.75" wheels. Any thoughts on what I should run? I would have though that 195 wouldn't be wide enough for a 6.75" rim (I ran a 205/50 RE540S on the GTi-R, which had 15x6" wheels)
rj-astra
13-10-02, 10:30 PM
rj astra - I thought you commended the Toyo Proxes T1S that you had fitted on your 306 GTi?
I did... but I put these on cause they were exteremely good value for money. At the time they were $80 less per tyre than the P6000s.
And another point ... I loved the P6000 on the 306Gti6.. Worked really well. BUT you had to make sure you had the Vrated ones. The cheaper HRated were nowhere near as good.
Ask the other non Gti-6 306 driver here how fast my Gti-6 went on the P6000s :)
I am of the firm opinion that the mainstream european tyre manufacturers built tyres of more rounded (sic) abilities than the Japanese manufacturers. They seem to be able to mix high wet/dry grip with high milages and low noise.
Japanese seem to be able to build tyres of capable dry grip but usually trail when it comes to wet grip, tyre life and especially noise.
This is my opinion... Have the same opinion when it comes to bike tyres as well. European manufacturers are so far in front of te japanese its not funny.
Originally posted by coyote
Chris,
The Azenis are good. They are nowhere near as bad in the wet as you would expect being about the same as an A032R and better than a D01J. Both of these tyres will shit all over the Azenis in the dry though.
I take it you mean the Azenis RS, not the ST115 or whatever it is? I'm just a bit worried that the RS would be diabolical in the wet, which was how I found the GTi-R was with RE540Ss and hard, low suspension.
Originally posted by rj-astra
Didn't the 89 model have 14inch wheels?? Or are they aftermarket..
Fancy putting jap tyres ona Peugeot.. what is the world coming to... :(
Try the new Michelin Preceda
Yeah, they're aftermarket, 15x6.75". Speedlines made for Peugeot Sport, I believe. I don't really care where the tyre comes from.. my first choice was the Italian P-Zero! But it seems they'd suck on such a car..
Originally posted by gti6
I really don't understand why some people insist on French/European tyres for a Peugeot. They put Japanese tyres on top spec Porsches so what's the problem. What's next, Australian tyres on Australian cars? Go the All Rounder! ;)
I don't mind the idea.. but certainly if there's a way better tyre out there, then I'd rather use that. I mean, my Aprilia is shod with Dunlops, whilst my father's Merc wears Kumho. Go figure..
Certainly I'm sure the Michelin Pilots are great in most conditions (as indicated by the Motor tyre test where the Contisport 2 and Pilot were 1st and 2nd overall, respectively) however having been in a Pug equipped with RE711s, Yoko A032s, and Falkens on my own, I really don't see what the problem is with Japanese tyres on a French car. All of them compliment the respective chassis' superbly. I've been in a 205gti with Michelins that was absolutely dangerous. The jap tyres I've listed represent great value IMHO.
Have you tried (or spoken to anyone that has) the Contis, or the Michelins? Out of the RE711s, A032s and the Azenis RS.. what do you like most? As an overall package, that is.
Anyway, back closer to topic - the Falkens are much better in the wet than I expected - I had initially calculated a massive trade off for dry weather performance as there is no centre channel, and massive tread blocks. However, where previously my inner wheel would light up in 2nd gear around a corner when wet, I now have axle tramp in 1st (unless I really try do so, but I don't see the point). The car just pulls harder than I ever need it to in the rain. A few test emergency stops shows they work very well and it's harder to get the ABS to kick in.
Like I said above.. I think it might just be a pre-conception of mine that the Azenis RS will be revolting in the wet. The RE540S, on the setup that I had, was just terrible. Competition it was still usable, but for street-driving.. it wasn't practical. I certainly couldn't trust anyone else in the family to drive a car shod with similar rubber in the rain, at any rate. But it sounds like you're happy with the RS in the wet..? Which is good.
In the same tyre size as you need Chris, they were $180 a pop, and I reckon they're great value for performance/wear. I don't drive very quickly when it's wet so whatever trade offs there are that I havn't discovered yet are obviously not much of a problem!
What, $180ea for the RS, in 205/50/15? I got a quote from the only Falken dealer here (they didn't even have them in stock), $240 ea including fitting & balancing. I don't drive quickly in the wet either, I just want to be able to trust someone else to drive the car if I had to. Like I said above, with the RE540Ss, I couldn't do that..
(edit: addition) To give you some frame of reference.. I got a quote for P-Zeros in 225/50/15, they were $380ea..
A032s are much stickier than the Falkens and I suspect they will wear much more quickly. I have no comparison between the two cars in the rain though. The RE711 will be a better tyre in the wet, no questions, and will wear better, but simply not the same in the dry - it's a big gap there. The Falken isn't doing to bad out of those 3 considering price, wear, dry grip, and wet grip.
It's a bummer I just can't take you for a drive! :)
I have a feeling the main thing holding you back on the Falkens is the wet grip, I've seen photos of Coyotes driving - I think he may be able to give you some better answers about the Falkens in the wet.
Cheers,
Adrian
Originally posted by Chris
What, $180ea for the RS, in 205/50/15? I got a quote from the only Falken dealer here (they didn't even have them in stock), $240 ea including fitting & balancing.
I love how the shops say "fitted and balanced"...who the heck buys tyres without fitting and without balancing??? If EVERYONE does it then why say it? Do they have nothing else to say??? It gives me a chuckle :)
Originally posted by gti6
A032s are much stickier than the Falkens and I suspect they will wear much more quickly. I have no comparison between the two cars in the rain though. The RE711 will be a better tyre in the wet, no questions, and will wear better, but simply not the same in the dry - it's a big gap there. The Falken isn't doing to bad out of those 3 considering price, wear, dry grip, and wet grip.
*frowns* hmm. Are the Azenis RSs marketed as a motorsport tyre (like the A032 is), or just as a fast road tyre? I think I'm getting the point that the RS will be quite good in the wet.. it's my stupid brain, I tell ya!
It's a bummer I just can't take you for a drive! :)
I have a feeling the main thing holding you back on the Falkens is the wet grip, I've seen photos of Coyotes driving - I think he may be able to give you some better answers about the Falkens in the wet.
Cool.. hurry up coyote! ;)
Originally posted by GTI124
I love how the shops say "fitted and balanced"...who the heck buys tyres without fitting and without balancing??? If EVERYONE does it then why say it? Do they have nothing else to say??? It gives me a chuckle :)
Actually, the last set of tyres I bought (the RE540Ss) I got without fitting & balancing! :) Only one tyre dealer in Perth sells them, and I had my ex-tyre guy fit & balance them for me. So nyer :p :D :)
Yeah, mine have seen a lot of wet weather action. I think GTi6 is refering to a pic in the best skid thread. If you've seen any of the skid pan footage (I think Nick called the vid TopFun), the silver wrx wagon is on Azenis and it still manages to go around quite quickly.
They don't handle standing water well at all. In the rain I rarely exceed 80 km/h in fear of hitting a puddle. Light drizzle and wet roads is not as bad. They grip ok and still provide great feel which means you'd have to not be paying attention to get into trouble. Not fast, but not unsafe either.
For some reason they don't last long when driven sideways with all four wheels spinning. Funny that.
Oh.. mine were bought from one tyre shop and fitted at another.
Originally posted by coyote
They don't handle standing water well at all. In the rain I rarely exceed 80 km/h in fear of hitting a puddle. Light drizzle and wet roads is not as bad. They grip ok and still provide great feel which means you'd have to not be paying attention to get into trouble. Not fast, but not unsafe either.
I mean, winter isn't for ages yet.. but I just wanted to make sure they weren't horrendous in the wet like the 540s were. And from what you guys are saying, I think my fears have been allayed..
Oh.. mine were bought from one tyre shop and fitted at another.
So they were $180ea for 15s? Can you tell me where from?
I've not driven on RE540s but they are only as good as A032Rs in the wet. Don't expect them to be "grippy", but they are predictable which in my books makes them safe. You do sacrifice wet weather performance in preference to the dry. But I thought it was worth it and still might buy them again.
Mine were $210 each in Brissy (205/50 16). That was a one off deal, I'm looking at 25% more this time (hence investigating other options).
That including fitting & balancing? :) That said.. $210 + 25% is what, $262.. so $280ea (considering my location) doesn't sound so bad..
Chris, what Coyote said, and $180 a tyre in 195/55/15 from Tempe Tyres. I don't think anyone can match that price, not even Falken! ;) Susss...... "Sik Bro!"
If you don't have the cash, you can pay in installments of tabouleh, kibeh, fetta, baba bhanouj, falafel or shawarma, and that failing, you can always help them run the business by stealing 20" chromies off Civics or hijacking Falken tyre trucks.
"Trust me bro, we're foolly legit mate, go ask him - his ma dad"
Oh, and that price was foolly fitted and balanced too.
Originally posted by gti6
Chris, what Coyote said, and $180 a tyre in 195/55/15 from Tempe Tyres. I don't think anyone can match that price, not even Falken! ;) Susss...... "Sik Bro!"
If you don't have the cash, you can pay in installments of tabouleh, kibeh, fetta, baba bhanouj, falafel or shawarma, and that failing, you can always help them run the business by stealing 20" chromies off Civics or hijacking Falken tyre trucks.
"Trust me bro, we're foolly legit mate, go ask him - his ma dad"
As funny as this post was (I laughed my ass off, eh bro!).. do they still have `em at that price?
Tabouleh, indeed :p
Yeah Chris, give em a call.
Say your bro Adrian bought some sleeks for his GTi and you want some at the same price. :)
Are you being serious? My sarcasm-o-meter is broken this morning :p
Yeah, I'm serious! Give them a call and I gaurantee you 195/55/15 Falken Azenis RS are $180 a pop. I don't have the number handy, but I think their website is temptyres.com or com.au
Cheers,
Adrian
That seems pretty stunningly cheap! :)
Just spoke to `em then.. $185ea for 195/55/15. $10ea for shipping to Perth..
Why wouldn't I go a 205 on a 6.75" rim?
Hmm, they must need the extra cash for tonights feed! :)
Still, not a bad price!
No reason not to go 205/50s, I would with 6.75 inch rims. Mine are 6".
So there are no handling inadequacies produced by the wider rim or anything? I ran 205/50s on the GTi-R (RE540Ss) with no problem, and that was a plain 6" rim.
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