View Full Version : MA61 Supra - 2JZ-GTE
Many of you are already familiar with this car but since everyone else is doing it I might as well start my own "attention whore" thread.
I bought my Supra in 1999 with the stock 5M-E (2.8L SOHC) piece of crap and 4-speed auto. It was slower than Oxy after a sixpack of beer so I got started with engine conversions almost right away. After dabbling with a couple of DOHC M-series engines I decided to get serious and bought an Aristo 2JZ-GTE front cut in 2002. Here's what it looked like just after installation:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/FinishingTouches/Engine03.jpg
Since then I've been pretty busy with lots of other upgrades, it never ends! Here's the current list of mods as far as I can recall:
- 2JZ-GTE
- JustJap cheapie FMIC (600x300x76)
- Custom dual dump pipe, 3" exhaust system
- Turbosmart bleed valve, electronic fuel cut defender --> 18psi boost
- Rebuilt radiator with extra core
- Heavy-duty pressure plate, 5-puck sprung ceramic clutch plate
- W58 5-speed transmission
- Shortened Hilux 2-piece tailshaft
- TrueTrac helical LSD, 3.58:1 gears
- Modified MX83 Cressida front struts with coilovers and camber plates
- Stock rear suspension with Kings low springs
- Rear hubs replaced with MS123 Crown hubs (5-stud)
- Koni sport adjustable front shocks, Bilstein rear shocks
- Custom front and rear strut braces
- Front brakes: BA Falcon 298x28 rotors, R33 Skyline 4-piston calipers, EBC Greenstuff pads
- Rear brakes: stock ventilated discs (re-drilled to 5-stud) and single-piston calipers, EBC pads
- Wheels: 17x8 fronts with 235/45 tyres, 17x9 rears with 255/40 tyres
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/BrakeUpgrade/WheelsFitted5.jpg
On the to-do list:
- Adjustable rear camber (currently running -4 degrees :O )
- Rear coilovers
- GT35R + Haltech E8
- Getrag 6-speed transmission (in progress)
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/Cutting08.jpg
:yup: :yup: :yup:
The complete story is here:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/
2jz NO SH1T!
Looks great Norbie, will be fantastic with the V160.
always liked reading about your car Norbie.
my fave car on pf!
the work thats gone into this thing is fucking nuts
be sure to check out norbies webpage
ah yes , tis a strange beast the norbie supra.
apart from parked its not often seen outside its natural habitat (any angle greater than 45 degrees to the intended direction of travel) :)
seriously though , fucking insane car , had some good fights with it a few years back.
will wipe the floor with about 99.99 percent of shit on the road.
apart from parked its not often seen outside its natural habitat (any angle greater than 45 degrees to the intended direction of travel)
I've even seen him PARKING in one of those 45-degree-to-kerb zones! :eek:
:D
But yeah, an interesting evolution, and stupid-fast really. This gearbox has got to be a Great Thing, the succession of W58's have reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Lisa's hooked-up the cupcake to give Bart a shock every time he touches it ... :p
LOL
What can I say, Datto-style semi trailing arm IRS plus too-jay-zee equals sideways all the damn time. I can't help it!
I'm really looking forward to driving the car with the Getrag installed, I'll finally be able to give it arseholes without worrying about the gearbox shattering into hundreds of expensive little pieces. As for the rest of the drivetrain, well....
Norbie, were you on a cruise, possibly a PF cruise, about 4 or 5 years ago, which went out the back of Dayboro then up through Peachester? If memory serves me correctly, you had an old grey MA61 had cooling issues? :D
The grey one with the 2JZ sounded awesome
PS, that thing looks just mean.
PF cruise about 4 or 5 years ago, I almost certainly would have been there... I can't tell you which of my three MA61's I was driving at the time though.
I do recall having nasty cooling problems in the black skid car, although it was usually so dirty it looked grey. :rotflol:
http://www.norbie.net/Supra/DirtySupra1.jpg
gianttomato
30-11-06, 10:56 PM
Most seriously ridiculous Supra ever.
A++++++. Will go shotgun again.
Hey the picture of Mike Hunt's Car Yard seems to have disappeared from your website.
Hey the picture of Mike Hunt's Car Yard seems to have disappeared from your website.
O RLY? (http://www.norbie.net/DUH/DUH08.jpg) :D
gianttomato
30-11-06, 11:23 PM
LOL! He lives up to his name - $4000 for an auto 60 series Celica!
Favourite car posted so far :)
Uncle Arthur
01-12-06, 03:24 PM
Yeh, retro Soupra, so 80's yet still likeable, A+ for effort and perseverance :)
Good to see you are still playing with the thing Norbie - I miss mine :( Have not frequented this forum in many a while- taking some time out, counting down the days till number two arrives (two more sleeps) - cars are on the backburner for a while longer yet for me ;)
Smashed S15 Bloke
11-12-06, 01:59 PM
my fave car on pf!
the work thats gone into this thing is fucking nuts
be sure to check out norbies webpage
someone didnt pay the internetz bill cos his website is down @ 4.11pm on 11/12/2006
Good to see you are still playing with the thing Norbie - I miss mine :( Have not frequented this forum in many a while- taking some time out, counting down the days till number two arrives (two more sleeps) - cars are on the backburner for a while longer yet for me ;)
Ah well that's what you get for growing up I guess. ;) You may be interested to know I just sold all my 5-speed stuff to the current owner of your Supra, so it's about to get a bit of an upgrade.
someone didnt pay the internetz bill cos his website is down @ 4.11pm on 11/12/2006
I've had other people say my site is down, but it works fine for me at home and at work? My hosting provider must be having issues at the moment. :rolleyes:
Ah well that's what you get for growing up I guess. ;) You may be interested to know I just sold all my 5-speed stuff to the current owner of your Supra, so it's about to get a bit of an upgrade.
Cool - when is the big turbo going on it? ;)
Smashed S15 Bloke
11-12-06, 02:20 PM
I've had other people say my site is down, but it works fine for me at home and at work? My hosting provider must be having issues at the moment. :rolleyes:
big-poooned isnt letting me see it :(
Website works for me - must be some upstream routing issue, not the hosting company ...
Cool - when is the big turbo going on it? ;)
The guy was still being indecisive about the whole thing when I spoke to him a few weeks ago. Doesn't sound like it will happen any time soon.
Speaking for myself though, I'm already half way there! :D
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/Manifold02.jpg
Nice! I want a ride - I mean drive. :)
Heheh no worries, I'll let you know when it's ready for a flogging. Don't hold your breath though, you know how it is with these things...
Any idea what the car weighs?
The guy was still being indecisive about the whole thing when I spoke to him a few weeks ago. Doesn't sound like it will happen any time soon.
Speaking for myself though, I'm already half way there! :D
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/Manifold02.jpg
Thats the inlet manifold, he's running a 4bbl holley!
Any idea what the car weighs?
Haven't had it on the weighbridge since the conversion, but should be around the 1250-1300kg mark.
and you need to put some weight on yourself you cheat!
even skinny ass legolas would be able to toss you!
id kill to be norbie-sized.
i might of had a decent motor racing career :)
Somehow I feel the weight of the driver isn't that important when you have 1000hp. :)
I finally have an update on my project! Thanks to rbman my car now has a transmission tunnel large enough to accomodate a Getrag V160. Sure it doesn't look too pretty, but it's strong so that's the main thing.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/NewTunnel17.jpg
More photos here (http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/).
The gearbox will be coming out in the next week or two, depending when Mr Toyota decides to send me the parts I ordered, at which point I'll paint the tunnel inside and out with etch primer, then cover it in that nasty black tar stuff, then fill the remaining small gaps with some kind of goo, then paint over the top. Once the carpet goes back you won't see most of the new sections of tunnel, and the centre console will cover what's left. As you can see from the photos the console doesn't quite fit properly and will need to be hacked a bit to accomodate the new shifter position, but that's not a big deal for me. Me have six speed, me happy. :D
Now I just have to pull a wad of cash out of my ass so I can afford a new tailshaft and custom fuel lines.
About time itll save me asking you this everytime I see you. :)
Nice work. Time for a big turbo.
Kiahatsiu
29-01-07, 10:33 AM
This car seriously rocks. What more can I say that hasn't been said?
Norbie's series of ma61s has given me quite the taste for shitty old supras. The black skid car could make anyone feel like a good driver. I really wish you never sold that thing man.
Over the last 6 or so years I have wasted many hours pointlessly driving around in that thing Norbie. Look forward to doing it again as soon as I escape/get released from this place.
Yeah hurry up and get back here so you can start work on your own shitty Supra. :p
Nathan Tinkler
30-01-07, 06:13 AM
Somehow I feel the weight of the driver isn't that important when you have 1000hp and no brain. :)
Fixed.
Unreal car Norbie. Love it.
PS put a guard on your grinder- didn't you follow the blackbart thread :D
Don't worry it wasn't me wielding the grinder, I was safely behind the camera. :D
Fixed.
Unreal car Norbie. Love it.
PS put a guard on your grinder- didn't you follow the blackbart thread :D
Don't you hate it when you lend a grinder too a friend and he takes the guard off and looses it? :), I would put it on if I could...
Edit -
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/NewTunnel14.jpg
This is why i wan't a guard :)...
Nathan Tinkler
30-01-07, 09:32 PM
Next time you are in the car have a feel of the inside of the windscreen. The molten iron oxide melts a little pit in it. Ask me how I know :sad:
Kiahatsiu
30-01-07, 09:34 PM
How do you know muz?
hahah
i see that plenty in dodgey mech shops , some guy pouring sparks over a cars windscreen.
it right fucks them up.
i reckon norbie would care this >< much though :D
Nathan Tinkler
30-01-07, 09:56 PM
How do you know muz?
I am Muz!
Kiahatsiu
30-01-07, 09:59 PM
hahah
i reckon norbie would care this >< much though :D
As long as the side windows are okay. As mentioned earlier Norbie gets his forward vis looking out the side...
...i guess he could just roll them down anyway.
Norbs, how hard was the actual motor swap? Not with the 6-speed, just the 5...
gianttomato
31-01-07, 08:29 AM
Beavis, http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/default.htm for all the details. But cliff notes:
front sump engine
modified crossmember mounting points and mounts
same gearbox crossmember
wiring
water pump/cooling fan mod
intercooler and piping.
So when do you get the tailshaft dude?
Yeah the engine swap was easy, which is why it took me 18 months to finish it. :huh:
Tailshaft happens when I have money. I've been spending way too much lately and the wallet is hurting!
gianttomato
31-01-07, 08:47 AM
LOL...never said it was easy.:knock: Was it really 18 months?
It took me 18 months to finish it.
Slackers...
Yup car was off the road for 18 months... actual work done was probably more like 18 days. :rotflol:
I'm starting to think that is a good way to do it. It makes it affordable and you wouldn't get burnt out on it....
Uncle Arthur
31-01-07, 02:06 PM
Hmmm, hope those welds to the transmission tunnel 'inserts' were completed, even a Toyota needs its structural strength.
Signed: Messrs Picky & Fussy Inc.
Hmmm, hope those welds to the transmission tunnel 'inserts' were completed, even a Toyota needs its structural strength.
Signed: Messrs Picky & Fussy Inc.
Don't make me do more work ;)... you reakon?
Uncle Arthur
31-01-07, 05:45 PM
Don't make me do more work ;)... you reakon?
Sorry, but yes, its structural.
And how come Bigmuff didn't pick that up, eh, eh???? :knock:
Nathan Tinkler
31-01-07, 06:44 PM
Honestly, it could do with a bit more, but i wouldn't stay up worrying about it. Stitch welding is plenty strong.
(I actually agree Richard, but these guys aren't idiots. They can take their chances :D)
but these guys aren't idiots.
Have you ever met Norbie :D:D?
:rotflol:
I have really feeling the PF love lately.
:sandyvag:
Uncle Arthur
01-02-07, 01:25 PM
Gotta pick on Soupras every chance you get, blame Rz :)
Well, I have another stab at it, but I still reakon that the shapely channels that are everywhere offer more structural rigitidy than filler wire... hmmmm filler wire must remember to pinch some more tomorrow...
norbie , has shortening the shifter rod and cradle up so much affected the geometry adversely ?
im about to take 50mm out of mine , and it looks like youve taken much more than that ...
It's kind of hard to tell without the car actually running, and also I've never driven a 6-speed Supra so I have nothing to compare it to, but it would appear that everything is functioning more or less as it should. I think the tab at the base of the shifter which functions as the reverse lockout may need to be bent a little bit because 5th and 6th seem to be hard to engage, but again it's pretty hard to tell the difference between 3rd and 5th or 4th and 6th when the car doesn't move and the engine doesn't run!
Short version: with a bit of tweaking I expect it will be just as good as original.
sweet.
im moving the engine 50mm back in my shittah so i have to do the same mod , plus shorten/remake about 5000 other fuckin things :)
Serious? Sounds like someone has been bitten hard by the roundy-roundy bug. ;)
I haven't heard of anyone else doing this in a MkIV... then again not many people do much beyond brand-name bolt-ons with MkIV's do they. :rolleyes:
BTW I may need to commission your welding services soon, I wouldn't mind having my shifter bracket strengthened a bit.
yeh hopefully it does good things for overall handling and straight line grip.
no worrys on the bracket , i can patch that up anytime ... about a 10 min job.
yeh hopefully it does good things for overall handling and straight line grip.
Looking for flat 12's?
Sorry I couldn't resist. :p
You 2jz (no shit) guys should be sticking together hehehe
Someone had to say it. It might as well of been me. :D I can't talk. I couldn't better 13 last time I went. :(
So just out of curiosity where did you source the supra water pump?
on topic, floorpan is now fully welded...
So just out of curiosity where did you source the supra water pump?
Toyota & you'll need to also purchase a pulley as well.
About $400 for both im told.
Bah, just blank it off like I did. Cost $2 for the right bolts.
Yeah I had a talk with PSi about this and welding/bolting is gonna be my answer. Can you please email me the pics of this mod?
Yeah I knew about the disabling-the-hydro-pump trick when I did my engine swap but I'm lazy and managed to get the Supra parts cheap so I just did the full swap. One small benefit, the smaller pump makes it much easier to access the wastegate actuator and hence install a bleed valve. :)
Oh and rbman has done a great job on the floorpan, it's looking a lot better now (ie no more gaps); I'll put some photos up soon. Next step is to apply a layer of tar and paint, then I guess I'll be needing a new tailshaft. I can almost smell the burning rubber! :D
You used "no more gaps"? hehehe
Your page has been a great help!
Where did you source the 'Cruiser engine mounts?
Where did you source the 'Cruiser engine mounts?
From a Landcruiser.
So just out of curiosity where did you source the supra water pump?
From a Supra.
Fuck me, are people getting stupider or is it just my interpretation?
Sorry if that was the whole joke.... but FUCK!
reply to ALLMTR from norbie...
Repco...
He says don't ask him which cruiser tho because he just looked the book and grabbed one's that looked good...
Yeah what he said. Basically I was looking for rubber mounts with studs sufficiently long to work with the alloy 2JZ engine mounts; from memory the ones I ended up using were from a diesel cruiser of some description, but I couldn't tell you anything more than that.
Bugger, i need engine mounts for my 2JZ.
Oh and rbman has done a great job on the floorpan, it's looking a lot better now (ie no more gaps); I'll put some photos up soon. Next step is to apply a layer of tar and paint, then I guess I'll be needing a new tailshaft. I can almost smell the burning rubber! :D
I think you need to post pics for proof
From a Landcruiser.
From a Supra.
Fuck me, are people getting stupider or is it just my interpretation?
Sorry if that was the whole joke.... but FUCK!
Do you know the meaning of the word source? I'm looking for the cheapest places to get these parts from :knock:
But I see what you mean, I should buy a Supra and a Landcruiser to get the mounts and water pump :knock:
Anywhoo the mounts look like 60 series mounts (from what I can tell) Auto 1 can get them for 35 a mount.
I suppose I should post a quick update, not that I've actually done anything except buy stuff. Namely, a GT35R turbo (thanks dansedgli!), a Haltech E6K and 700cc injectors (thanks RZ!), and a set of shiny Autometer gauges (thanks eBay!). Ah the internet, where would I be without it? About $3k ahead in the last week alone. :oh:
Anyway pics will be forthcoming when the goodies arrive. Oh yeah and one of these days I'll remember to take photos of the completed transmission tunnel.
Haven't you heard? GT35's are out. Anything smaller than a GT42 is for pansy's these days. :p
I suppose I should post a quick update, not that I've actually done anything except buy stuff. Namely, a GT35R turbo (thanks dansedgli!), a Haltech E6K and 700cc injectors (thanks RZ!), and a set of shiny Autometer gauges (thanks eBay!). Ah the internet, where would I be without it? About $3k ahead in the last week alone. :oh:
Anyway pics will be forthcoming when the goodies arrive. Oh yeah and one of these days I'll remember to take photos of the completed transmission tunnel.
Hehehe don't you hate bargains that you "have" to buy....
Yes I'm soft for buying such a small turbo. 130mph would be nice, pity it will still do 12's though. :(
I think you need to post pics for proof
OK by popular demand, here's rbman's handiwork. Note the absence of holes! I am impressed.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/CompletedTunnel01.jpg
I was going to put the clutch together and install the gearbox this weekend, but I accidentally ordered the wrong wave washer so it's on hold until I get the right one. The last lot of parts took 6 weeks to get here so it's not likely I'll have this machine running any time soon. :(
Nice job. Sucks about the parts taking forever though. You must be eager to smell some tire smoke from the old girl :)
fark man , where are you ordering from ?
little bits and pieces like that i get from toyota usa inside 2 weeks , just pm the part number cos i have to order some stem seals for mine.
More than 1 week from the US and I start to get pissed off. I have actually received goods from the US quicker than from interstate Australia post!
Nathan Tinkler
17-03-07, 12:03 PM
OK by popular demand, here's rbman's handiwork. Note the absence of holes! I am impressed.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/CompletedTunnel01.jpg[/img]
I was going to put the clutch together and install the gearbox this weekend, but I accidentally ordered the wrong wave washer so it's on hold until I get the right one. The last lot of parts took 6 weeks to get here so it's not likely I'll have this machine running any time soon. :(
That's much better.
Was he going to pass out from the fumes? :D
Kiahatsiu
18-03-07, 11:53 AM
Looking good Jeremy. Skids ahoy!!!!
fark man , where are you ordering from ?
little bits and pieces like that i get from toyota usa inside 2 weeks , just pm the part number cos i have to order some stem seals for mine.
Thanks for the offer but I've already placed an order - looks like I'll just have to wait. :( Hopefully it will be quicker this time though!
There's a package waiting for me at the post office which I assume is my shiny new GT35R. Can't wait to pick it up! Skids ahoy indeed. :D
Yep sure has! I'm currently on the hunt for a stainless T3 flange so RZ can modify my manifold. Should have some pics on the weekend. :)
just doing the 2jz in to my 89 cressida and was wondering about whitch fuel cut defender was best for the stock computer out of the aristo?
Pm 2jzr31...oh actually he is reading it
I'm sure most of the generic ones will work, the one I used was a VFCC from TRL Performance (or something like that), although Dennis' method with a few cents worth of parts from Jaycar and a dog food tin will work just as good. :)
thanks mate, that one looks popular.
More progress this weekend, and I got photos this time! :D
Here's the custom fuel lines, haven't got around to hooking up the hoses yet but that shouldn't take long:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/FuelLines02.jpg
All of the clutch/flywheel parts arrived so the box is now bolted up and hopefully won't be coming out again. The external shifter bracket fits with no clearance issues much to my relief. Many thanks to Rz for his welding skillz, although he casts doubt on my ability to shift gears with the current setup. My fingers remain crossed.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/BoxFitted04.jpg
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/BoxFitted02.jpg
The transmission tunnel has been covered in a thick layer of tar and a final coat of white paint so it doesn't look so crap, and I re-installed the carpet and seats so it looks like a proper car interior again. I didn't get around to hacking up the centre console, that will come later.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/TunnelDone07.jpg
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/TunnelDone12.jpg
More photos here (http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/default.htm).
It's getting very close now! I just need to finish the fuel hoses, extend the hydraulic line for the clutch, and buy/install a tailshaft - then it's driving time! I can almost smell the burning rubber. :D
Nathan Tinkler
29-04-07, 09:16 PM
Looks great man. How did you get white paint to go over tar? Taht's not really possible :D
And why won't it shift? Looks standard to me?
Looks great man. How did you get white paint to go over tar? Taht's not really possible :D
OK it's not really tar, it's that nasty sticky black body deadener stuff. Paint goes over if just fine once it's dry. :)
And why won't it shift? Looks standard to me?
The shifter bracket has been shortened by a couple of inches, and after Rz compared it to his unmodified bracket it appears to be crooked which may or may not lead to difficulties with shifting. It's impossible to know for sure until the car is driving though.
Here's a photo of the shortened bracket, you can see the home-made welds:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/ShifterMods06.jpg
That is awesome man. Now get cracking with the turbo!
Nathan Tinkler
29-04-07, 10:00 PM
yeah get cracking. PS Not the cracks that are in the shifter bracket, we mean cracking in the figurative sense :D
SShhhhh, don't mention cracking, there are Ebay manifolds about :)
So I got the bastard started for the first time in at least 3-4 months! The engine was full of oil thanks to dodgy valve stem seals, so after 30 seconds or so I had to evacuate the garage as it filled with thick oil smoke. It also splattered the Century which was parked just behind it. :mad:
Anyway there were no leaks in the new fuel lines or the dodgy oil cooler kit I installed recently, and most importantly, nothing caught fire! The 6-speed did an impressive job of spinning the output shaft, but that's about as impressive as it's going to get until I get a tailshaft made.
So my work is pretty much done, there's not a lot more I can do for the next few weeks while I scrape some cash together for a tailshaft. I've considered slapping the GT35R on but no, I'll be sensible and finish one mod at a time. :(
Im really gonna miss asking you for a 6 speed update everytime I see you.
your gonna miss smelling and seeing out of 2 eyes after i fight you
I've considered slapping the GT35R on but no, I'll be sensible and finish one mod at a time. :(
You have a mid 80's car with 2JZ and 6 speed and you are talking about being sensible - LOL.
bahaimus
02-05-07, 11:15 AM
your gonna miss smelling and seeing out of 2 eyes after i fight you
Oooh, scary man.
You have a mid 80's car with 2JZ and 6 speed and you are talking about being sensible - LOL.
Haha, quiet you.
Once the car is mobile again I'll bring it around and show you just how sensible it is! ;)
Haha, quiet you.
Once the car is mobile again I'll bring it around and show you just how sensible it is! ;)
Coolies. I think it is 12 months since I have driven anything more exhilarating than the company Corolla :( That was Billzilla's Fraser so no real sideways action in that either. Note I said driven ;)
your gonna miss smelling and seeing out of 2 eyes after i fight you
:sad: please dont hurt me.
PS keep your left hand up the right hooks the killer.
It just occurred to me that i haven't made a post in this thread.
Neither had I. Seeing this thread reminds me of the time you sideswipped a car and ran from the cops Norbie :)
While unlicensed don't forget. Yes I remember that too.
While you're waiting for the tailshaft put the GT35 on... p00f...
It just occurred to me that i haven't made a post in this thread.
Is that why there haven't been any can pix in this one? :yup:
Or have I got that a little bit wrong? :p
Anyone help clarify that one?
Is that why there haven't been any can pix in this one? :yup:
Or have I got that a little bit wrong? :p
Anyone help clarify that one?
i don't post up pics of cans. it's my thing.
LoTeC: Thanks for the clarification :D
Hey Norbie, looking good - I'm sure everybody needs their garage fumigated from time to time. I hear you are good at outdoor fumigation as well.
thechuckster
02-05-07, 09:32 PM
think of it as fumigating the RA23 with rust-preventive...
OK so I got my new Autometer gauges hooked up and working, but I'm thinking I might have fucked up with the oil pressure gauge which only goes up to 100psi. It seems any time I give the engine a bit of a rev it goes right off the scale! Admittedly I haven't got the engine properly warmed up yet but still, this isn't good. Can anyone tell me what oil pressure a 2JZ would normally see, hot or cold? Will I have to buy a different gauge? I notice Autometer have a few 150psi and 200psi gauges but not in the carbon fibre series, which is a bit annoying because I want a matched set. :mad:
Anyway here's what the gauges look like installed (ignore the double sided tape, that was just there to get them in the correct position):
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/Gauges01.jpg
And here's the oil cooler I mentioned earlier:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/OilCooler/OilCooler05.jpg
It's all starting to look pretty much finished, which makes it all the more frustrating that I can't drive it yet! It will be several weeks at least before I'll have enough spare cash for a tailshaft. :(
Esteban
15-05-07, 06:45 PM
If you want the tailshaft earlier, I know a loanshark... :P
LOL thanks I'll keep that in mind if I get desperate enough. ;)
My dilemma for this week: pay rego or buy a tailshaft and do unregistered skids?
Here's a couple of photos I took while I was in the garage tonight. 500rwhp here I come! :D
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/GT35R03.jpg
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/GT35R02.jpg
Clicky-clicky (http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/default.htm)
That bad boy will do 500 easy.
Oh man those gauges are the gayest thing I've seen since Kiahatsiu... and that's coming from a guy who wears leather pants!
and the fact you screwed them down.
RACE TAPE man FFS.
Pffft, can't a guy have a single rice upgrade after years of stealth mods? Next thing you lot will be dissing my washer neons and super-duper-mega-sequential BOV.
I'm not even allowed to get a paint job and cut out rust.
Nathan Tinkler
17-05-07, 06:00 AM
Oh man those gauges are the gayest thing I've seen since Kiahatsiu... and that's coming from a guy who wears leather pants!
Yeah but the random metal teks holding the oil cooler in make up for it.
PS No they fuckin don't.
OK fine, I'll pull some gauges out of a 1976 Corona at the wreckers and use those instead. :mad:
make sure they're fucked and cracked too
fuckin ricers :p
Is it just me (or the exposure) but those guages look hell hard to read....
So...skid pix???
It's just a shit photo, they're quite easy to read. :)
No skid pix yet. I've been scouring my garage looking for something to sell so I can buy a tailshaft sooner! Unfortunately I can't seem to part with any of my junk - after all you never know when you might need one of those "one day". The only exception is my old Solex sidedraught carbies (I'd rather give myself cancer than touch carbies again), but I don't know if they're actually worth anything these days?
I should have built one of these instead of the hilux. I reckon I could get one under 1200kg's which is looking to be about the lux's weight :(
I'm sure one of these would hook up a hell of a lot better. The only problem is they are limited to 12's.....
Nah, semi-trailing arm suspension = little chance of hooking up any good. I should upload the video I have of my last run down the quarter mile, the amount of squat in the suspension (and the subsequent camber changes) is pretty amusing! The Hilux has a live axle so it's always going to get off the line way better.
I got some more stuff done today, finally sorted out a pesky coolant leak and installed one of my Whiteline adjustable swaybars. After starting the engine and letting it warm up I'm becoming more convinced the head needs to come off for a reco, it really is quite smokey at the moment. :( Head porting TK stylez perhaps?
Mine lets out quite a puff on start up.
norbie , run a compression test , if its all good then just chuck some stem seals in it , pretty cheap.
Good idea Pete. I have a compression tester but it doesn't fit on the 2JZ, :rolleyes: I'll see if I can find another one which works.
I should upload the video I have of my last run down the quarter mile, the amount of squat in the suspension (and the subsequent camber changes) is pretty amusing!
For anyone who's interested, the video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyBxd5KExlw
I just uploaded it so it might not work straight away.
No skid pix yet. I've been scouring my garage looking for something to sell so I can buy a tailshaft sooner!
Man I'll give you a hundred bucks just to mount those awful gauges somewhere else.
Don't you need that money to buy a steak this week?
Yes, and I too am running out of parts to sell :)
Kiahatsiu
22-05-07, 08:25 AM
You could always sell organs. It is a sellers market.
I might know a buyer :eek:
So Lotec twisted my arm and I'm buying a pair of HKS 272 degree cams. Anyone care to guess how much power I can expect with this setup?
- Stock 2JZ-GTE
- aforementioned cams
- eBay cheapie manifold
- GT35R 1.06 rear .70 front
- 700cc injectors (ex Rz)
- Haltech E6K (ex Rz)
- MSD DIS4 (ex Rz)
Actually this is starting to look remarkably similar to Rz's setup apart from manifolds and smaller turbo!
Not enough. You can never have enough.
My prediction is I have always enjoyed your company Jeremy and you will be sadly missed.
Nathan Tinkler
28-05-07, 03:48 PM
Who's Jeremy?
I predict pant wettingly good power, coupled with undie stainingly good response, in conjunction with shit handling.
264 cams dude , 272 are overkill , unless you have a great deal on them.
I'd rather give myself cancer than touch carbies again.
NEWSFLASH: You ARE giving yourself cancer. They're called cigarettes and they're bad mmmkay? :knock:
So Lotec twisted my arm and I'm buying a pair of HKS 272 degree cams. Anyone care to guess how much power I can expect with this setup?
- Stock 2JZ-GTE
- aforementioned cams
- eBay cheapie manifold
- GT35R 1.06 rear .70 front
- 700cc injectors (ex Rz)
- Haltech E6K (ex Rz)
- MSD DIS4 (ex Rz)
Actually this is starting to look remarkably similar to Rz's setup apart from manifolds and smaller turbo!
Norbie = Rz wannabe. We all are, but at least the rest of us hide it :lol:
Norbie = Rz wannabe. We all are, but at least the rest of us hide it :lol:
You are way, way too cool.
Not sure what is worse... Wanting to be him or wanting to have babies with him??? ;)
Shite Norbie!!?? So are there plans to ever go out to the roundy roundy track again?? You are going to need one big fark off radiator!!!
If you want some money i'll pay you to fit my new 1jayzee into the car. It's sitting there with gearbox in. I can drop it off tomorrow!
264 cams dude , 272 are overkill , unless you have a great deal on them.
264 cams were the plan but yeah these were a pretty good deal. If you know anyone with a pair of 264's who want to swap, let me know. :)
500-550 at the wheels sounds "adequate". Whether the chassis has any chance of using this power remains to be seen - to say nothing of the driver!
Rorge: didn't we all agree you were going to buy a 2JZ-no-shit?
Anabolic
29-05-07, 08:29 AM
between 500 and 550rwhp on any dyno dynamics that isnt mattys, dependant on fuel, boost level, day of the week, suns incidence and wind heading.
Speaking from personal experience yet mate? :)
So Lotec twisted my arm and I'm buying a pair of HKS 272 degree cams. Anyone care to guess how much power I can expect with this setup?
- Stock 2JZ-GTE
- aforementioned cams
- eBay cheapie manifold
- GT35R 1.06 rear .70 front
- 700cc injectors (ex Rz)
- Haltech E6K (ex Rz)
- MSD DIS4 (ex Rz)
Actually this is starting to look remarkably similar to Rz's setup apart from manifolds and smaller turbo!
Hey mate i bought an 2jz ebay manifold for my corolla but have since sourced another, i got it relisted on ebay but can have it cheap T4 flange though.
Norbie: If I manage to get my Chaser before you finish this thing you will get a slapping! And you WILL enjoy it!
What oil did you bother to go with in the V160?
I can see Diffs from here to there.
Also what is the hold up with the tailshaft? Didn't goto Gibbs Trucks?
Ribfeast
29-05-07, 02:47 PM
This car would be stupidly fun to drive :D Hope you find a diff that holds up to it! My flatmate used to have an auto MA61 1JZ and it would smash the F-series diff into the road surface and crack the housing. I think he went through 3 or 4 of them.
Your flatmate must have had some dodgy suspension for that to happen! :eek:
Nick: I'm using Dexron III in the V160 as advised by Rz, so I'll blame him if it explodes. The hold-up with the tailshaft is money, or lack of it - I keep buying shiny go-fast bits and neglect to buy the one thing which will make my car actually drive! :(
Thinking about that though, atleast you will have everything else sorted and setup once the tailshaft does go in so you will be hitting the streets with a completed car.
You know better than that, projects like this are never complete!
Monster tailshaft has been ordered, hopefully it will be ready next week - and barring any major disasters, skids the following weekend. :D
OK finally, I have a tailshaft! :D I'm also $1265 poorer, but if you wanna play you gotta pay.
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/SixSpeed/Tailshaft1.jpg
I tried to do a test-fit but I must have measured the studs in the gearbox flange incorrectly, because the 10mm holes in the flange are a little too small. :( Not a big deal though, I'll buy an 11mm drill bit on the weekend and hopefully all will be good. Watch this space! :)
Nathan Tinkler
20-06-07, 05:46 PM
NOT 11!!! Just go 10 and it will drill oversize enough that you get a clearance hole. 10.5 at the biggest.
Smokey on startup is stem seals - toyota never could make a good stem seal, just about all the toyo multi-valve heads have shat the seals by the time they are 6-7 years old.
Reapers seals were fukn rooted big time.
Cunt of a job in the car, but it can be done.
TK
Smokey on startup is stem seals - toyota never could make a good stem seal, just about all the toyo multi-valve heads have shat the seals by the time they are 6-7 years old.
TK
Has anyone sussed out why that is so?
NOT 11!!! Just go 10 and it will drill oversize enough that you get a clearance hole. 10.5 at the biggest.
Actually according to my latest measurements the studs are at least 11mm in diameter, possibly more, so obviously I just fucked up the first time. In any case it doesn't really matter if the holes are slightly big; the flange is located by the centre hole not the studs.
Woot woot!!! :D:D
$1265 though, holy shit! Mine only cost $600...I hope mines not made of balsa wood or something! :p
It would have been more like $700 for a single-piece (I assume that's what you have?) but I told them I was expecting 600hp and 8000rpm so a single-piece was out of the question given its length.
Yep, mines a single piece. I wasnt aware that for higher power levels a two-piece is needed... that could suck quite severly. :(
I thought the single piece just had less tolerance to movement?
Actually according to my latest measurements the studs are at least 11mm in diameter, possibly more, so obviously I just fucked up the first time. In any case it doesn't really matter if the holes are slightly big; the flange is located by the centre hole not the studs.
Might locate ok but torque on/torque off will not like elongated holes.
Nathan Tinkler
20-06-07, 09:19 PM
There is no M11 thread (well there is, but your tailshaft doesn't use them)
The bolts are used as clamps and drive pins. Hole size is critical.
norbie is correct , they are 11mm studs.
i happen to have a second v160 i just walked out and measured with verniers.
i hope you have the pcd right ?
http://home.iprimus.com.au/rzsupra/car/IMG_0136.jpg
pcd is 93mm.
Nathan Tinkler
20-06-07, 10:01 PM
I'd better go suck a dick then, eh?
Wankers, M11 is non standard. Try getting nuts or bolts if you lose the ones in there.
Yep, mines a single piece. I wasnt aware that for higher power levels a two-piece is needed... that could suck quite severly. :(
I thought the single piece just had less tolerance to movement?
The issue is the length of a single piece of tube, and the max RPM it will see. Long tube + high RPM = shaft wants to flap around and break stuff. You can get around this by using thicker tube, but in my case I was pretty much limited to 3" tube which meant two shorter lengths was the only safe option. Yours could well be thicker (more room in a MkIII) so it may not be a problem. :)
i hope you have the pcd right ?
Me too! I gave them fairly rough measurements because I assumed they were going to match it up with an off-the-shelf flange (I happen to know later-model Landcruisers use the same flange) but by the looks of it they made that one from scratch.
Do you still have your tailshaft out of the car? If I need to re-drill my flange it would be handy to have the real deal to use as a template.
yeh i got a spare tailshaft here you can use for template.
Awesome! I'll try drilling the holes to 11mm and if that doesn't work I'll be paying you a visit shortly. :)
Wankers, M11 is non standard. Try getting nuts or bolts if you lose the ones in there.
yeh , that'd be almost as hard as rattling off a part number at toyota and handing over a couple bucks :)
Nathan Tinkler
22-06-07, 06:03 AM
Wankers.
They shoulda just used m12 fine and then I would have been right :D
Farken, I just realised my box didn't come with nuts on the studs. Where am I going to find M11 nuts?
have mine and order me new ones.
i dont need em for a while.
A generous offer, thanks! I'll see how I go re-drilling the flange and get back to you tomorrow. :)
Woot woot!!! :D:D
$1265 though, holy shit! Mine only cost $600...I hope mines not made of balsa wood or something! :p
Double WOOT WOOT. My 2 piece was like $280 or something so you can both suck my balls. (only one half needed to be made though)
Yeah i'm a bit amazed at the prices you guys paid for your tailshafts!
I had 2 made for the liberty (both 3" 2 piece) all i supplied was the yoke with no uni and it cost me $250 and was made in 3 hours.
That was through driveline services at Eagle Farm. They specialise in trucks etc.
I figured I got ripped off as mine was ordered by Dodgy Bros mechanics back in the old days. :p
I had a severe shit fight trying to get a nut that the sender from my Ebay oil temp gauge would screw into. I had to weld it to my trans sump pan. Nothing in my spare nut sack (heheh) fitted. So I had to purchase some nuts. :D
IT LIVES!!!
I finally got the tailshaft properly bolted in today, and for the first time in 6 months I dropped the car off the chassis stands and went for a test drive around the block. Much to my surprise everything worked perfectly: the transmission appears to be in reasonable shape, the butchered shifter bracket still allows me to select all 6 gears, the clutch is smooth and progressive and actually works, and the tailshaft doesn't wobble or vibrate or make bad noises. And best of all, nothing caught fire! :D
Apparently I did a bad job of hooking up the intercooler hoses because one of them popped off as soon as the turbos came on boost, so there was no fast driving involved - but there was driving and that's the main thing! There was also a metric arseload of smoke on startup so I'm thinking the turbos need to come off soon - surely that much smoke couldn't just be from valve stem seals? Anyway I just happen to have this GT35R lying around so it's time to get busy. :D
I'll get some pics and stuff on the weekend.
BTW many thanks to Rz for donating his nuts, I couldn't have succeeded without them. :)
Dansedgli
27-06-07, 10:04 PM
Great work!!
Rz for donating his nuts, I couldn't have succeeded without them. :)
Dont forget to thank ang for carrying pete's nuts in her handbag for you!
psssi98
27-06-07, 10:19 PM
All this talk of flange and 2JZ's - man this thread delivers! :D
thechuckster
27-06-07, 10:26 PM
no. of days until axle shafts expire = ??
:)
They're pretty safe for now, the car felt like it had about 100hp when I drove it. Those poor turbos have had a hard life, I think they've about had it. :(
Awesome to hear that it is going!
Don't count on the turbos causing the smoke. When I started mine after it had been sitting for a few weeks a gigantic smoke cloud came from the exhaust. Its the valve stem seals. What a fucked job!
Another one lives, good shit, it's always good when someone gets a project moving for the first time - now comes the months of fiddling with shit that isn't quite right.
Don't assume there's anything wrong with the motor or turbos, it's been sitting for a long time right?
Drive er a bit, give it a thrashing & see what happens - doing stem seals on the car would be a massive PITA.
A hint for if the seals are not-so-great - the wynns stop leak shit works by softening up lip seals, it's aimed at rear main, front & cam seals, but it'll soften hardened stem seals too - probably won't make them good, but it'll improve matters & give some more time before they've gotta be done.
TK
This is going to ruin out 6speed/Tailshaft conversations at trivia thats for sure.
Must be a good feeling to get it all moving again.
Top news Norbie. Oh and if they still blow the IC piping off the turbs can only be so fucked eh?
Did you clean the side windows before your test drive? :D
Don't assume there's anything wrong with the motor or turbos, it's been sitting for a long time right?
Drive er a bit, give it a thrashing & see what happens - doing stem seals on the car would be a massive PITA.
Yes it was sitting for more than 6 months, so some smoke was expected - but the thing is it was smokey when I first installed the engine upwards of 5 years ago and it's been getting steadily worse since then, so I definitely have to do something about it sooner or later. I even switched to a thicker oil a while back and that helped but it didn't fix anything obviously.
I have new cams going in soon so it seems like a good excuse to take the head off and get it reco'd and maybe clean up the ports a little. A full on port job (TK stylez) might be on the cards depending on the price. :)
A hint for if the seals are not-so-great - the wynns stop leak shit works by softening up lip seals, it's aimed at rear main, front & cam seals, but it'll soften hardened stem seals too - probably won't make them good, but it'll improve matters & give some more time before they've gotta be done.
Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try! I'm a world-class procrastinator so stopgap solutions always help. :)
BMWTurbo
28-06-07, 12:23 PM
A hint for if the seals are not-so-great - the wynns stop leak shit works by softening up lip seals, it's aimed at rear main, front & cam seals, but it'll soften hardened stem seals too - probably won't make them good, but it'll improve matters & give some more time before they've gotta be done.
TK
Thanks for that, have been wondering about doing the same to mine as it's a smoke machine also, will grab some tonight...
Glad to see it going again Norbie :)
*Edit* Stop leak or stop smoke TK??
http://www.wynns.net/consumer/retail-products
Stop leak, stop smoke is just thick gummy shit to make the oil gluggy & less prone to getting past rings.
Norbie - price on headwork is not far off, got some more fiddling to do on reapers head before I'm 100% happy, so a week or so is now the eta.
TK
Ribfeast
28-06-07, 04:23 PM
www.toyotool.com has a tool for doing valve stem seals easily :)
i still cant believe my nuts fixed shit rather than creating it ...
Nathan Tinkler
28-06-07, 06:48 PM
Good stuff Norbster. Keep the faith :D
I have boost! I had to switch to parallel turbo mode (something is wrong with the sequential system) but now it runs 17psi no worries and it's FAST. I've spent all day driving around doing skids... ah it's good to be back. :D
I'm keen for another trip to Willowbank, I want to race one of these uppity Aristos!
the doopra returning to the drags? This I gots to see, assuming it's some time after this coming weekend.
When for big turbos, though?
Did you sort that rattle out?
Thanks for the help Sunday man!
Thanks for the help on Sunday Norbie. Hey did you try to isolate that rattle?
That's strange, I didn't see Dennis' posts before my last reply? :confused:
EDIT: now I'm extra confused, I made the post below last night but its timestamp is 4 hours in the future! Perhaps the Supra is now so fast it has warped time?
Anyway no I haven't located the rattle, my plan is to ignore it for now and when I do the turbo swap I'll pull the timing gear apart and check out the tensioner bearing, crank pulley etc. And if that doesn't help I'll look into how much a bottom end rebuild will cost me.
Turbo will happen when I'm feeling a bit more cashed up, I still need to finish paying for the cams and then I'll need more $$$ to allow for exhaust mods (there's a good chance my eBay manifold will foul something) plus other random bits like oil lines and such. Believe me I'm as keen as anyone else so it will happen as soon as possible!
Yeah that is why I double posted. I posted once and didn't see my thread at the bottom so I posted again. But they both appeared above your last post??? WTF? Also that tensioner may be difficult to fix. It has something to do with the spring in it. That is the only moving part besides the bearing (which I replaced in mine and it still makes the noise). The prob is my belt is too short since I had to find a non stock one because of my AC delete. This prob rattle prob was known to Toyota which is why some 2JZ's have a dampener for the tensioner. We probably need to find one of those.
what sorta noise are you hearing ?
is it a 'squeaky' rattle ?
you should be sweet without the damper , they only put those on manual supras afaik to stop the belt slipping due to fast downchanging etc.
Not double clutching like they should...
what sorta noise are you hearing ?
is it a 'squeaky' rattle ?
Nah it doesn't squeak, it's a mechanical clattering sort of noise like something is loose. There's a chance I have a rooted crank pulley, I need to pull it off and have a look.
New shiny bits for me! I stole a pair of brand new HKS 272 degree cams off LoTeC. It's way overkill for what I'm doing but I love the sound of a 2JZ with proper cams, Rz's car sounds angry. :D
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/Cams4.jpg
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/Cams3.jpg
Nah it doesn't squeak, it's a mechanical clattering sort of noise like something is loose. There's a chance I have a rooted crank pulley, I need to pull it off and have a look.
You sure it's not the flywheel? The "clattering" noise from the gear box region?
6spds are infamous for the clatter because of the flywheel.
everything v160 clatters like a motherfucker , i think this was a old noise though ?
272 ftw , you wont know its the same engine.
Yeah it was doing the same thing with the W58, and it's definitely coming from the front of the engine. I'm thinking cambelt tensioner or FUBAR'd harmonic balancer. I'll investigate when I do the turbo swap (in the next 2-3 weeks I hope).
Those Hong Kong Sports sticks will wake the mofo up.
The Pupat
15-07-07, 10:04 PM
I have boost! I had to switch to parallel turbo mode (something is wrong with the sequential system) but now it runs 17psi no worries and it's FAST. I've spent all day driving around doing skids... ah it's good to be back. :D
licence update? :p :D
licence update? :p :D
I'm sure there was a rumour going around that Norbie has never actually held a driver licence :D
I'm eligible for my P's in a few months.
So I went to the drags tonight. Only got two runs before they closed the lanes so I didn't get a chance to fiddle with the bleed valve until it was right. Best run was 12.8 @ 111, quite disappointing compared to 12.49 @ 117 4 years ago. Launch was quite an improvement (2.0 60ft, I think the best I managed before that was 2.2) so it's obviously down on power, no doubt because I didn't have the boost up as far as I used to have it.
Anyway I can't be bothered making it any faster with the current setup, the big single goes on in a few weeks and I have little doubt it will run better trap speeds with an extra 200hp or so. :D
Oil line kit arrived yesterday, big single upgrade commences shortly. :D
Rz I'll need to hassle you at some point about putting a T3 flange on my eBay manifold.
ATMO_BT1
25-07-07, 03:57 PM
I'd be lying if i said i hadn't thought about this conversion more than once. Looks awesome mate great idea.
So I got halfway through removing the stock turbos. I now officially hate Toyota engineers. Looks like I'm going to have to lift the engine to finish the job - bah!! :mad:
The engine bay is going to look so much cleaner with all that crap gone.
You totally should have asked me before you took the old turbo's off. I have done it about 5 times now. I have it down to an art form and last time done it in 3.5 hours. First time took me over a day. Its a royal prick of a job if you don't know the tricks.
does suck a bit.
took me about 4 hours even with a hoist.
a single convert would have to save 15 odd kilos of crap.
You totally should have asked me before you took the old turbo's off.
Well the turbos are still there, all I've done is remove all the inlet piping and associated crap. What are you doing next weekend? :)
when i took mine off, took me 5hours, and that was just an engine with no car surrounding it. I would rather drink a capfull of brake fluid then try taking them off in a car. What a nightmare!
I got so much shit on its not funny with getting my car going and that and trying to get my motorbike license. :( Otherwise I would come over for sure.
Here is a guide. I will tell you everything I know. Ring me if you have probs.
Take all the obvious shit off like alloy pipes, sequential pipes, heat shields etc. I leave the intake pipe for the rear turbo on, as its a prick to get off on the car.
Undo the oil and water drain for the first turbo. Don't try and remove the oil drain totally. If won't come out without a huge shit fight as the hoses will be rock hard.
Undo the V band for the front turbo. Undo the bolts which hold the actuator on. Carefully hit it the core out with a drift and hammer, a long bolt works well as a drift. Work it off the oil drain. Now you have some more room to work.
Remove the 3 studs which hold the front turbo on the manifold. The key it to get these studs out. Remove the nuts and or studs from the Y pipe where it joined onto the second turbo (you don't need to remove these studs because you removed the 3 turbo studs, this means the whole slot will slide out forward, if you can't get the 3 turbo studs, you will need to undo the Y pipe studs and take the shit out towards the driver side of the car). It won't come out yet as its connected with braces and the exhaust. You will need to get under the car to undo this stuff. Also you need to undo the 3 stainless EGCV bracket bolts to get some space somewhere along the line. After this is all undone, whats left of the front turbo comes out along with the Y pipe and the EGCV etc.
Then you just have the rear turbo and manifold which, who's nuts and bolts will now be easily accessible
An assortment of various length 12-14mm spanners is also handy to get in the confined spaces.
Enjoy.
Thanks for the advice, very handy! I thought about pulling the front turbo apart but I was a bit scared about damaging it in the process. On the other hand it looks like it's half shagged already (a few chips on the compressor blades) so bugger it.
Can't wait to shred my hands again on the weekend.
Kudos to Dennis, after taking his advice I got the turbos off - and I hardly shredded my hands at all! I'll post pics when I can be bothered.
New manifold almost fits but the wastegate pipe will need adjusting as it fouls the steering column a bit. Apart from that it's looking sweet!
Pics!
Old turbos gone:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/TurboRemoval08.jpg
New turbo on (well not quite):
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/TurboRemoval11.jpg
New vs old:
http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/TurboRemoval21.jpg
More pics here (http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/TurboUpgrade/).
Very nice! Mmmmmm big single Mmmmmm
Good to hear you didn't need to take the engine out :p
How long did it take to get em off?
Yeah it was a relief to be able to get it done with engine in place, believe me.
All up it took me about two half-days. I could probably do it a lot quicker if I had to do it again, but I hope I never do! BTW penetrating oil FTW, after letting the rusty studs soak for a bit it all came apart so easily. I can't believe I've never used this stuff before, it's magic.
Oh and to my surprise the turbos are in pretty good shape; apart from one chipped blade and a few slightly bent blades on the front compressor wheel (looks like something went through it) they look quite good. Hardly any end float and the ceramic turbines look A-OK. After the hard time I've given those turbos I was expecting much much worse! All those people who tell you greater than 14psi is a recipe for exploding turbos are full of shit, mine were running 17-20psi for 5 years!
You know you have done it too many times when you can do it in 3.5 hours. :(
Never again I tell you.
Kudos to Dennis, after taking his advice I got the turbos off - and I hardly shredded my hands at all! I'll post pics when I can be bothered.
New manifold almost fits but the wastegate pipe will need adjusting as it fouls the steering column a bit. Apart from that it's looking sweet!
This might give you an idea how you can get around the wastegate fouling issue. Your engine bay looks very similiar to the mx73. I went this way as it would have been a nightmare to cut the pipes off at the collector and started again from there(that's assuming you have a twin entry manifold, single entry might be a heap easier as it will probably have only one exit point).
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/AL_RS/conversions/RIMG0017.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/AL_RS/conversions/RIMG0019.jpg
Thanks for the pics. :) I have a twin-entry manifold and yeah I had something similar in mind. I'll get Rz to take a look, if I can convince him to do some welding for me! :D
It was easy for me to do so RZ should be able to do it via telepathy.
That looks about as easy as you can get. Chop the flange off and join 2 bends
to it :p On my car the position where the flange gets cut off is directly centered right on the steering shaft. I would need to rework the pipes from before they join into one. Which was a big reason I went internal gate.
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