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ga70tt
07-11-10, 09:20 PM
Ok so ill start by telling the story of the events as they unfolded...

I own a GA70 supra which the 1g-gte became a bad idea and went for the 1jz
few motors later i got one to work with a microtech etc etc...

drove round fine for about 8 months until the pivot ball in the bellhousing broke... dellows then informed me i must use their clutch fork and throwout bearing instead of genuine toyota items (dellows bellhousing jz-w58 as at the time i couldnt or didnt want to wait for a genuine one to show up)

while reinstalling the gearbox i cracked back of the block where the bellhousing bolts to so the motor was pulled to have that welded up and ive learnt my lesson about how not to reinstall a gearbox... (dont try to pull it on by tightening the bolts)

so at this point i decided the twins were not to go back on the car... and opted for an ebay spec t04z copy.

so eventually the car all went back together and it started and ran but upon looking into the tune the car would lean out coming onto boost...

due to this discovery and a voltage issue (volts dropping under load) i decided to rewire the microtech in a less ghetto way...

the car also was triggering the home/ref/rpm error on the microtech at about 4000rpm which lead me to believe the crank or cam sensor trigger was wired back to front...

also another issue reared its head around the same time where the car would start and idle for about 10 seconds then stall... i figured it was tune related as it was getting into winter and getting much colder and the cold start on the car had not really been looked at yet alot of fuel had been added to the tune to try stop it from leaning out under boost... also when it ran for the 10 seconds or so it would stall under any application of throttle

anyway months went by and i slowly rewired it all... went to restart the car and what do you know same start idle briefly stall situation... throttle would instantly stall the car...

ive checked cam crank and tps sensor wiring against a mates wiring (1jz-microtech) and they are now the same... car will start sometimes run rough then stall or sometimes run rough then run nicely then stall

im pretty well out of ideas now other than it being tune related... wondering if there is anything ive been overlooking...

cliffs
-car used to run
-car then had turbo upgrade
-car leaned out on boost
-car had voltage/wiring issues
-car would start idle for 10 seconds then stall
-rewired microtech on car
-still has same issues of starting but not continuing to idle
-idle is rough now as i believe the tune might be out due to previously having crank/cam sensors round the wrong way...

so anyone want to throw out any ideas...
im guessing a new set of plugs wouldnt go astray however would like to see if anyone has any better ideas...

specs of the car...
ga70 supra
1jz-gte conversion
w58
ebay spec t04z copy
ebay spec manifold cleaned and braced
tial 44mm wastegate
us spec oem 2jz-gte 550cc injectors
ebay spec front mount
microtech lt12s
walbro 255l fuel pump

cheers pf brains trust

TTerror
07-11-10, 10:16 PM
you know sometimes, i read peoples stories like yours, and feel so much better about my cars and their problems.

FWIW my problems are near identical to yours, except JZA80, Stinger ECU.


Sorry for the lack of help. Cars are cunts. That is all...

ga70tt
08-11-10, 05:19 AM
yeah cars are definately cunts

oh well makes me somewhat feel better knowing someone else is going through similar issues

10sec rx7
08-11-10, 06:26 AM
you are using the centre cam sensor?

angry_rednut
08-11-10, 08:33 AM
ah i love these threads.. "microtech issues"

not bagging microtech but i reckon you do get what you pay for.mine hasnt played up yet *touches wood* but fom what i get some of them just suck!

i hope it works for you cos mine was really straight forward. wired it up and started first go!

10sec rx7
08-11-10, 08:49 AM
9 out of 10 times its a wiring fault that causes the problems.. in this instance i would bet its a wiring fault as well..

ga70tt
08-11-10, 10:16 AM
you are using the centre cam sensor?

Yeah mate using centre cam sensor


9 out of 10 times its a wiring fault that causes the problems.. in this instance i would bet its a wiring fault as well..

I also agree with this... but am at a loss to why i cant get my own dam car to work... have wired up another lt12s and 2 lt16 on jz motors and the other 3 all work fine...

ive now matched my wiring to the other one running lt12s and had no luck which makes me wonder if in the past i had it wrong and now the tune is up shit creek...

if the dellows bellhousing didnt snap the pivot ball i recon i would still be happily driving this around with the stock twins on it as it ran fine when it had them on it...

10sec rx7
08-11-10, 10:24 AM
when you wire these things you have to split the crank and cam sensor wiring,

you must use shielded cable and join the shield.. and the sheld must stay earthed at the ecu end which it is from microtech

angry_rednut
08-11-10, 10:33 AM
+1

i also remember seeing in the manual when i got my microtech and alteration to the 1j setup. not sure what it was cos it didnt apply to my 1g

manual is in the car at the tuners still but when i get it back if u havent got it sorted i'll scan it in for you

60TJZ
08-11-10, 11:10 AM
Petrol and a lighter will solve this lol

ga70tt
08-11-10, 12:04 PM
when you wire these things you have to split the crank and cam sensor wiring,

you must use shielded cable and join the shield.. and the sheld must stay earthed at the ecu end which it is from microtech

well in the rewiring of the car i have gone to 2 separate shielded cables and joined them at the ecu end to the original red/yellow/blue/green wires

i joined the shielding ground to the microtech wires the same way it was from the microtech loom

just wondering if i need to also bridge this to the brown GND wires coming out of the microtech for the other sensors etc?


+1

i also remember seeing in the manual when i got my microtech and alteration to the 1j setup. not sure what it was cos it didnt apply to my 1g

manual is in the car at the tuners still but when i get it back if u havent got it sorted i'll scan it in for you

i have my microtech manual still but it couldnt hurt seeing another one incase something was different that i might of overlooked or missed


Petrol and a lighter will solve this lol

allways full of useful comments arent you gav

10sec rx7
08-11-10, 12:28 PM
check the shielding is actually joined.. that will cause the problems..

also try reversing the cam sensor polarity

ga70tt
08-11-10, 03:29 PM
ok will check shielding is definately joined

cam polarity has been changed to exactly the same as a mates known working configuration... but i can change it around again if need be