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    Ford Falcon EL 1997 4spd auto questions

    I've got a few things I'd like to know about the auto.

    About 6 weeks ago I did a full fluid flush on the auto, the following symptoms existed before the flush however they're noticeably reduced since.

    Second to third gearshift is great on light throttle, give it half or more and it is very unsmooth and non linear, quite hard to describe.

    Kickdown from third to second at higher speeds is not right either, the box allows the engine to rev too high before engaging the gear, its perhaps 1/4 of a second too slow in engaging second on kickdown from third. This only happens if the revs are above about 2500RPM when it kicks into second, say above 60km/h.

    I'd assume this is bands that have stretched or have worn friction material on them. Is this right and is there a link or instructions someone can give me to service this auto?

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    Now, a bit more technical. It's clearly obvious the auto shift pattern was programmed by a drunk monkey on vallium so I'd like to know if its possible to reprogram the shift patterns and shift speed electronically or if you need to drill the valve body as per older auto tranny's. Heres what i'd like improved:

    On economy mode:

    - Gearshifts to stay in the same point for throttle positions under say 15%-
    - Gearshifts to increase in RPM for throttle positions between 15-50%
    - Leave gearshift positions as they are for throttle positions above 50%
    - If vehicle speed is above 45km/h, on flooring the accelerator, for the auto to NOT shift into first. Currently it will kick down to first up to 65km/h if you floor it. The engine is completely gutless above about 4000RPM and all this achieves is using a lot of fuel, making a lot of rattles vibration & noise, and not giving any useful acceleration. Vehicle accelerates considerably harder if you only give it 3/4 throttle and kick it into second, once you've exceeded 65km/h then floor it. Same deal for kickdown into second, prevent it happening above about 80km/h
    -Adjust the torque converter lockup cluch so it engages in fourth gear at 74km/h. Currently it engages at 83km/h. At that speed and above, ensure it holds unless gearbox is kicked down into third gear with sufficient throttle (above about 25%). If the selector is in third, engage the TCC at 46km/h. I'm not completely certain of these figures because there may be excessive NVH at low engine speeds, however its what I'd like to try. I really enjoy a transmission thats directlly connects the engine to the wheels, not going through a fluid coupling. To tell the truth, I'd like the TCC engaged at anything above 15km/h in all gears but I dont know how rough that may make it.


    On power mode:
    - Stop the auto from kicking down to first above 50km/h and stop it kicking into second above 85km/h for reasons listed above.
    - As the vehicle slows down, force the transmission to engage third at 70km/h, second at 40km/h and first at 25km/h for engine braking. This does not apply if the car is already in fourth at 50km/h or third at 30km/h etc, only if the car has been above the changedown speeds listed here.
    - Leave the rest as is


    So, can the auto be programmed to make it a nicer thing to drive?
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    wow... someone else with similar whinges about the auto from around that era... I hate the way my ef leaps down a gear or two with a gentle tap on the accelerator. If I wanted to go fast I'd flatten it, not give it 2 poofteenths more throttle

    I think in economy mode it'd be confusing to have the engine not change down if you floored it, wouldn't it...? I'd like to be able to use more than 20% throttle at times without it leaping down gears.
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    I hate it when you give it a bit of a jab, say in the middle of a corner and it drops down a gear then immediately tries to change back up. Results in a bit shock on the whole system, and is probably not that good for the car. Anything any one knows will stop this also?

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    Just one thing, flooring the throttle overrides the economy setting.


    Not transmission related but install extractors and exhaust, not only did it greatly smooth out the engine on my ED XR6 it now pulls hard all the way to the rev limit.

    Im pretty sure someone of Fordforums is selling a 'shift kit' to suit the 4speed Falcon Auto.

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    do a TPS calibration helped my EL shift 10 times better.

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    how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul05
    don't waste your time asking questions about real cars on the rice forum go to ls1 .com ,it's alot more accommodating and informative than pf.
    WTB in Melb - Ford AU 6 cyl engine - needs to be in good condition

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    Sounds like you'd really like a manual box Bozz... ... you can make it do whatever you want whenever you want, just by moving a lever, and pressing on a pedal....

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    rowdy;

    You're dead right i'd prefer a manual but its just a Ford and I dont want to spend money on a lump of shit.

    Besides, Ford manuals feel like the gears are connected to the gearstick via an underinflated rubber banana. Dont get me started on the cable clutch feel either.....
    Quote Originally Posted by paul05
    don't waste your time asking questions about real cars on the rice forum go to ls1 .com ,it's alot more accommodating and informative than pf.
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    Bozz, my only concern with the auto in my folks EF, is that when given a bootful it seems to want to drop thru one gear, then another and by the time is picks the right gear its gotta shift up again.

    Not only does it piss me off, but i reckon it wouldnt be to good for the box.
    Are there any differences between EF/EL auto stuff. Are the XR6's any better or are they different?
    Hell i like the way my 88 auto pintara shifts better than an ef.
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    karl, mine does that as well, so does dad's ED so its a trait of the awful design.

    worst is at about 50km/h when you want to accelerate hard and it goes back to first, you realise the car just made a stupid decision, back off a tiny bit and it goes up into second then almost straight away into third......
    Quote Originally Posted by paul05
    don't waste your time asking questions about real cars on the rice forum go to ls1 .com ,it's alot more accommodating and informative than pf.
    WTB in Melb - Ford AU 6 cyl engine - needs to be in good condition

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    I've got an ED, what I want is the kickback sensitivity of the power mode, with the shift points of the economy mode. I like the power mode kickbacks, but I don't see the need to hold each gear to 3000 rpm at 20% throttle.

    And now that you mention it Bozz, the behaviour of the auto when you boot it from 50km/h annoys me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmovik
    Just one thing, flooring the throttle overrides the economy setting.


    Not transmission related but install extractors and exhaust, not only did it greatly smooth out the engine on my ED XR6 it now pulls hard all the way to the rev limit.

    Im pretty sure someone of Fordforums is selling a 'shift kit' to suit the 4speed Falcon Auto.
    Certainly doesnt on mine, it will change gears about 1500rpm earlier if it is still on economy mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozz
    how?

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    from what i remember, leave car in drive while idling for at least 1 minute. Then turn the engine off, but ignition on, push accelerator pedal to the poor for another 1+ minutes, then turn off the ignition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madhatr
    Certainly doesnt on mine, it will change gears about 1500rpm earlier if it is still on economy mode.
    Mine and dad's get you to 80km/h in first with the foot to the floor, regardless if its in power or economy.

    That switch should be called "drink lots of fuel while changing at dumb points" and "drink even more than lots of fuel while changing at not as dumb points".
    Quote Originally Posted by paul05
    don't waste your time asking questions about real cars on the rice forum go to ls1 .com ,it's alot more accommodating and informative than pf.
    WTB in Melb - Ford AU 6 cyl engine - needs to be in good condition

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