question about WRX STi and normal WRX my03 onwards
hrmm i got a question for WRX and WRX STi owners.
this question is for owners with 03 onwards WRX or STi.
hrmmm whats the difference between WRX and STi model ? yes, yes i had a look at specs and i know Sti pumps out more KW than the standard WRX and has a nicer bodykit. but the 0-100km time are very similar. its like .05 seconds off each other.
so why would someone bother spending an extra 18g+ gettin an STi model ? where u could just modify the normal WRX.
Last edited by ren; 02-10-04 at 11:59 PM.
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so will my 12 incher.
the fact is which do the ladies want to ride first?
Six speed, brembos, stronger internals, tuned suspension, much larger turbo. By the time you address these issues on a standard WRX you will have spent more than 18k.
Sti's biggest problem is the stock exhaust system, it's basically the same as the WRX and is way too small for the turbo.
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Originally Posted by bigmuz
JK25 knows the score..
It also has:
- wider wheels.. 17x8 on the 03-04, 17x8 and 5x114.3 PCD on the 05
- driver controlled centre diff on the 05
- nicer instrument cluster
- larger intercooler with waterspray
- something
- something else
The quarter mile times are close because in the STi, you have to shift to 6th gear near the end (well, either that or ride the rev limiter in 5th). This probably costs you about half a second..
-edit- Oops, yeah - quarter mile times, not 0-100.. thanks DRIFTN
Last edited by Congie; 04-10-04 at 06:37 PM.
You mean it requires a shift to 3rd right? (Not 6th). Or do you mean a shift to 6th across the quarter mile?
The 0-100km/h times are close because in the STi, you have to shift to 6th gear near the end (well, either that or ride the rev limiter in 5th). This probably costs you about half a second..
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
You would probably have a much more comfortable and enjoyable to drive car if you just modified the WRX.
The STi doesn't seem to add much to the driving experience without the 206kw+ and 400Nm it deserves (Japanese specification).
Adam
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
With the STi you spend $4k on exhaust, intake + ECUtek and you have a bit of a weapon - guaranteed 180kw atw and 12 second car. To get the WRX to the same power levels with the same ancillaries (gearbox, brembos etc etc) you are spending way more than the difference in cost. Not to mention if you are buying brand new the 05 STi has the dccd, trick tyres and new wheels + they have beefier front wheel bearings.
The STI is worth the dosh for sure....
ok cool.
wow, a good exhaust cost 4000 for a WRX ? oh wait, that with the intake and ecu.
k this is gonna sound stupid. but im still gonna ask.
if u have bigger brakes for your car, does your car stop faster(stoppin distance shortened) ? coz i always thought they used that formula to calculate stoppin distance.
the limit to braking capaciy is relative to car mass and friction between the road in a simple version.
The real reason behind bigger brakes is for repeated, or high speed stopping capabilities where the smaller brakes are prone to fade or failure.
The other reason behind bigger brakes is when you fit 19 inch wheels over a small set of lancer standard issue drums it looks kinda silly
I've been through this choice before and decided I wasn't going to spend $15k extra on a car that is less comfortable as an everyday driver, with marginally better performance (in stock form). Insurance is also more expensive and if you are going to modify, it can be hard going finding someone that is going to insure a modified WRX STi.
Our Subaru dealer in Darwin wont sell them even though we have 98 RON fuel, because of the heat.
It's only marginally better car for a lot of extra money. Plenty of wank value in the seats, brembos and six speeder which does add up to a lot of money and are probably very useful on the track but the WRX is far better bang for buck.
Adam
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
errrr
I no comprendo.
how can you not see the STi is as a bargain compared to a standard WRX 15grand or whatever it is more you get a stronger motor, a stronger gearbox (that to my knowledge nobody has broken on the street.. I've heard a few have failed in GTP cars), hugely bigger brakes (their like tarmac WRC spec brakes for Farks sake), trick diffs front and back. Jeez I don't even like subipoos and I would say they are hard to beat (you'd have to go to an Evo to do it). These 02 onwards STi's are dominating local motorsport (like Touring Road Rallies) cause they are rediculously fast. They might not have the best suspension, and chassis but turbo 4wd (with a few more tricks for even more grip) and huge brakes are bloody hard to brake.
Actually, you are wrong - the STi is better bang for the dollar and even better when it comes to mods (as it actually has the ancillaries to cope with more power) but it sounds like you have already made up your mind....why bother asking the question in the first place?
I have only heard of one 6speed breaking and the was in reverseThey are as tough as nails and Subaru has now fixed the weak link of the wrx, no more weak gearbox
I have heard they can handle up to 500hp, it is worth the extra 15k just for the brakes and gearbox alone
I didn't ask the question.
You're missing the point. The WRX is a hell of a lot of car for $43k, and the extras you get with the STi are a lot for only $15k. But adding up the sum of the parts doesn't make it better bang for buck just because you're getting some parts cheaper. I'm sure a lot of WRX buyers can stretch to $56k, but why would you bother if the extra goodies make very little difference to the driving experience?
The same situation occurs with luxury cars. You pay a lot more cash to get a little bit more. for example, isn't the lowest spec BMW 3 series 6 cylinder $20k more than the 4 cylinder? The base car is better bang for buck
Adam
Last edited by DRIFTIN; 04-10-04 at 12:57 PM.
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
Errr cause they do add to the driving experience?
Why do they sell so few STi's compared to WRX's then? I would think with almost certainty it is because the WRX is better value.
Adam
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
Maybe because of the price, some people don't like the big wing, some people don't want to pay for the extra insurance, some people don't know what an STI is or the extras you get for the 13k hence the title of this thread. I think for most people 43k is what they want to spend on a car, 56k is just a bit out of the price range. Just my 2c's
Well let's just agree the STI is a better car...
Worth the extra dosh? Well that's up to ren to decide.
I went through this and bought the WRX, and it wasn't because I couldn't afford the STI. Each to their own.
Adam
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
if i had teh money for an sti id get one....a lot of the work is done for the car to get some quick times. box, forgies, turbo, fuel, and many more little things......it all adds up and i think is worth it.
MY00 WRX
1997 Yamaha Waveblaster 1 LE
Same reason people buy XR6T without premium brakes and all the other bits it should have standard, cause they like the idea of a muscle/performance car but never intend on using properly or care that there is a far superior version available for a little bit extra (or they can't afford the little bit extra).
Why does the XR6T need the premium brakes standard? Do most people need brakes that can handle repeated hard braking? The standard XR6T brakes do a pretty decent job.
The more you want to spend, the better the car you'll get. Doesn't make it better value though.
MY05 WRX (ice blue, stock 5sp)
2003 Ford Falcon Futura (ice mint, auto)
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I recently sold my Modified WRX and now when looking back I was about 1 month too late in buying a MY00 STI for about 34g stabdard with 50000km oppose to mine for 25g with 70000km and modified already. If only I had the choice between the two in front of my I would have gone the STI for the extra 9g. No questioned asked
I know you are talking about new cars here but, depends on your application in end. are you going to really modifiy it ? or just keep it stock with and exhaust or something ? if mildly modified stick with a wrx.
If your chasing max kw's, how much money does it take to get a standard rex to equal an STi. sure 15g change is going to do lots but in the end your starting platform is a base wrx of 165kw oppose to the 206kw, as mentioned above better brake better gear box, Better diff control option.
I read lots of people comments on wrx forums and all seem to regret buying a standard wrx as long as they have the cash to go the STI, cause it's just a better package and the 15g hike is worth it . like comparing a holden SS to a HSV Clubsport is the 20g difference worth it ?
Jump on www.rexnet.com.au
You will get a better response from them than here even thought there are members from there that have replied including myself.
There is one guy that has a wrx and the amount and mucking around he has done to make his wrx look and go like an STI is absurd. This person then wants to sell or trade it for a STI but the loss of changeover is too high, now his just has to live with the fact that he should have got an STi from the very start.
In the end it's what you can afford comfortably and what YOU would be happy with.....
Ben
Not to mention that if he sells them then he has to service them and that means STi training for his techs, purchase of a 4WD dyno, parts storage, etc. If your local dealer won't fork out the cash to sell STi's, you can always buy one from interstate.
A few weeks ago the local Subaru dealer (Morgans Motors) lost a court case regarding a Version 5 STi coupe they sold brand new back in '99. They were definitely not a good idea in Darwin heat on 95 RON fuel - consequently the engined was stuffed in short order. Morgans claimed it was the driver's fault, despite the fact the car was not modified, and it was driven by an old guy.
Left a bit of a sour taste in their mouth I imagine.
Adam
Exactly great for mum and pop that like the idea of a muscle/performance car but never intend on using it. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is performance forums and I thought the target market here is people that want a performance car so that would therefore include what is the best bang for your buck and in this case the STi is well and truely worth the extra dosh for what I would think a lot of people on here would want. At least those that are interested using a car like that to it's full at a track or in weekend motorsport.
yeah get the STi if you can. From someone who has done 'everything' to a standard wrx - never, never, nevernever again.
In my 20/20 hindsight, I should have gone the factory juiced model and ensure the engine and other very expensive bits stay where they are. minor things like ECU and exhaust only. Sure u can turn a standard wrx in 200kW+ / 11sec car / sub 70 seconds at wakefield but christ what a hassle and money pit to keep it that way (a lot more $ than an STi for sure). And a pain in the ass to drive to work in to boot.
if you aren't going to modify it, sure a std wrx is lots of fun. If you think you do want to get more from it I highly recommend looking seriously at what you get for a bit extra - along with warranty and (slightly) easier insurance.
in fact fuck modifying street cars alltogether... buy a trailer and a club car.
22.4L 34 cylinders and no powerchip
the same guy that i know that got his 2000 STI the one that i was going to buy, had a warranty issue as well but fixed under warranty. But when he decided to get a 03 STi, he had to source it from Brisbane, as Morgans wouldn't sell it to him, for obvious reason our crap fuel back then.
He still got it serviced at Morgans but the engine was not covered under any warranty and had to sign a waver for it to my knowledge........
Go STi if you down south and have no trouble getting 98 0ctane get it....doesn't take much to free up an STi and get rid of that lag.
New exhaust and dump pipe.......and a aftermarket ecu and you be laughing just to start you off
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