Classic Adelaide

[Uncle Arthur]

At the end of the first full day the Graham-Robinson blue 260Z #513 was 26th, not bad, its their second and first time respectively in a rally type event of any sort. Go the Brissy boys

A flood of Porkas, Richards-Oliver 4th, all results here http://www.classicadelaide.com.au/ca...s05/r_main.asp

[dattoman1000]

I'm watching a few cars in this event
637 Crimp 1980 Porsche 924 Carrera GT
578 Bryson 1975 Davrian Coupe
211 1959 Austin Healey 3000 Rowe John
305 1965 Ford Mustang GT350 Stewart Kim

Plus 2 others I can't see in the results anywhere
328 Ferrari of Jay McFarlane and a dark green SLR5000 Torana father and son team with an unpronouncable name.

[platinum]

Saw a fair few sweet fezza's driving around today - the one with the places "enzo-??" was so awesome, i missed the light turning green after it drove by lol

[Uncle Arthur]

Woohoo, #513 has improved to 21st outright, keep it on the black stuff though boys, thats freakin quick

[t01-100]

Who won?

[Cal]

Saw a fair few sweet fezza's driving around today - the one with the places "enzo-??" was so awesome, i missed the light turning green after it drove by lol

That is the 308 GT4 we were talking about in this thread: http://pforums.company-hosting.com/f...hlight=308+gt4

Cal.

[platinum]

Oh nice -

Just outside the adelaide casino on sunday, there was someone giving an F40 an absoulte thrashing up and down north terrace. and 4-5 other ferarris parked up on the side of the road. God it was good.

[Uncle Arthur]

Shit, can't believe it, the Brisbane Datto boys #513 are down to 6th outright Kicking lots of big dollar Porsche backside, hang onto it, whoohoo

[edo]

Richard, Why are they in late classic? Some fairly new non standard bits in there? Broadbent then JR won that category.

It appears as though theyve reshuffled the categories, classic is pre 74 late classic is post 74.

My estimate on my biggest competition was true, Len Caitlin won that class

Rick Bates cleaned up classic again, Rob Sherrard in the GT40 was 2nd

[Uncle Arthur]

Its a fairly run of the mill but well prepared 260 Edo, nothing fancy, only 7" wide wheels unlike what a lot of other makes are allowed to use. IIRC last time they were put up a class because the car had front camber adjusters, should have bent the struts

[edo]

OK cool, I know whats going on now. Anything Post 74 is 'late classic' & in its own category. It appears as though that category runs to 1989 but specifically bans turbo 4wds (note no GTRs).
Most of the depth in CA is in Classic (pre 74) as it has been traditionally...and if you combine the results you get a better picture of who is going quick. Id say Broadbent & Jim are still there at the top, but your mate ran around the same times as the dude who came in at 8th in Classic.
Funny how they dont publish just an outright set of results.

New regs allow adjustable strut tops...but he has to wait till 06!

[Uncle Arthur]

Yeh, there is a mistake in the published results apparently, whatever, the Z boys did great. No problems with the car except the one way vacuum valve to the brake booster stuck shut on the first day.

Zeds should be allowed to run factory ZG flares and whatever size wheels will fit under them, just like they were originally raced in Japan by the factory associated teams. See the size wheels the Porkas are allowed to use, eurobullshit.

[Steve_1]

anyone happen to have any pics of kevin weeks crashing out?

the navigator informed me they were airborne at 180kmh for around 20 metres!! she only sustained bruising though, which is a testament to the theory of "getting a cage" i reckon.

[edo]

Richard, New regs for either C2 or C3 actually allow 2 inches in either direction as a max wheel size. So if stock was 13x5, max size is 15x7. C3 allows the bolt on guards
Trouble is an RSR porsche had 14x9 or something & that allows a 16x11!!!

[gxxr]

anyone happen to have any pics of kevin weeks crashing out?

No.......... but if you want to see the proper way to fix a Porsche have a squizz in the recent Autosport(Oz A1 gp report). Shot of one that left the road in Targa NZ, makes the 240Z's off at the Mt Buller sprints seem benign.

[Uncle Arthur]

Was Kevin Weeks car a Porsche? Because apparently one Porsche that crashed big time had stones actually embedded in the tyre and the wheel that took a big side impact. Not one straight panel so its said.

[Uncle Arthur]

Richard, New regs for either C2 or C3 actually allow 2 inches in either direction as a max wheel size. So if stock was 13x5, max size is 15x7. C3 allows the bolt on guards
Trouble is an RSR porsche had 14x9 or something & that allows a 16x11!!!

The problem is that the Japanese did things differently, they didn't do factory prepared competition cars in Japan. With the Zed for example they made mudguard flares available so big wheels could be fitted, the ZG flares on avatar car. The cars were sold with ordinary wheels because the idea was for the racing teams to select their own wheels. Which they did, big ones.

The powers that be in Australia follow the Eurocentric factory prepared line which really is discriminatory against Japanese cars, surprise surprise. If the reality of the situation applied instead, allowing Zeds to have ZG flares and whatever wheel would fit under them would follow.

[edo]

Be honest Richard, its not biased against jap cars, its biased towards porsche's.

The track width is free however...so while you cant fill the guards with bigger tyres, you can widen the track & gain benefits from that.

[Uncle Arthur]

Porsche just happened to make special competition versions of their road cars so, yes, the way the rules are framed does give the Porka a big advantage. Of course without the oversize road rolling tyres on the back the Porka would visit the roadside scenary even more than they do now

Also don't you think that the rear engine layout gives them excellent corner exit, a particular advantage on the tight stages? Talking to my Classic Adelaide mate he said certain stages favoured certain cars, RWD V8's were particularly disadvantaged in the tighter stuff.

[edo]

Yep, its thread crossover time. A 911 is real good at 2 things, braking & accelerating. Its crap at cornering. The safest (& therefore most consistant & therefore overall the fastest) way to drive in a tarmac rally is to drive into the corner, stop (well a lot closer to stopped than you would be on a circuit) get round the corner & then accelerate out. A 911 lends itself well to this approach, & its one that JR openly admits he uses.

A RWD V8 is the opposite, its a bit unstable under brakes as the rear gets light & it will have huge problems getting traction out of the corner...but if you want to stay on the black bit you still have to drive the roads in the way that suits a 911.

Why? Because you dont know what the surface on the corner will be like until you are there, you can take a punt & hope its all nice & clean & dry...but it only take one corner where it isnt & youre into the sceenery, so you dont take the punt.

[Uncle Arthur]

Thats interesting Edo, hadn't thought of it like that.

So, pay particular attention to braking capability and stability, plus, the same with the rear suspension for traction. And look at maximumising weight transfer to the rear under acceleration.

[t01-100]

Some people take the punt, lightly damage the car and vow to back off when it's wet next time!

take one corner where it isnt & youre into the sceenery, so you dont take the punt.

[edo]

Thats interesting Edo, hadn't thought of it like that.

So, pay particular attention to braking capability and stability, plus, the same with the rear suspension for traction. And look at maximumising weight transfer to the rear under acceleration.

Yep, trouble is that means you want anti dive & anti squat...which will be a challenge in anything, let alone the capri.

T01, Only tasmanians do that...you & whitey

[Uncle Arthur]

Have heavier springs on the front? That should help with both braking stability and power down by keeping the front up, arse down. Plenty of suspension travel on the softer rear so she does'nt bottom out?

Heavy front anti sway bar, very light rear? So the rear can use its quota of total grip for acceleration.

Shocks, agggh.

[Sir Revalot]

That is the 308 GT4 we were talking about in this thread: http://pforums.company-hosting.com/f...hlight=308+gt4

Cal.

It is eh? Well that particular vehicle happens to be one of the only good car shots I was able to get on Sunday at Belair Road (the last leg of the race) due to the horrible midday sun. Will post second set of pics fairly shortly.

[edo]

Have heavier springs on the front? That should help with both braking stability and power down by keeping the front up, arse down. Plenty of suspension travel on the softer rear so she does'nt bottom out?

Heavy front anti sway bar, very light rear? So the rear can use its quota of total grip for acceleration.

Shocks, agggh.

Oh, dont worry it will have heavy springs up front...its got a big fat iron head V8 to keep off the ground. Doing everything you said of course leads to bulk understeer...so I reckon there will be some compromises made.
Shocks are fine for me to spec once I get a clue on spring rates...note that the rears are leaf springs...just to add to the joy

Im really wanting this thing to be able to power oversteer on demand (for cameras) too...just cause Im a tear arse

[Uncle Arthur]

So will the Crapi be deliberately setup for a bit of understeer? I guess it would be hard to setup a Porka to understeer, a bit of an edge there?

[edo]

I think the capri will understeer anyway, no matter what I do. I just want to set it up as neutral as I can...which will mean I need to focus on weight distribution. Ive got a few ideas on how to do that. One is pretty simple & commonly used, moving the 2nd biggest mass (crew) towards the rear of the car, I'll also be using a fuel cell mounted further back & lower than the standard tank.

911s do often understeer on corner exit...