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    "Hitler" race car expected to sell for record- NO RACIST BULLSHIT IN THIS THREAD.Mods



    An ultra-rare race car commissioned by Adolf Hitler and recently saved from being crushed is tipped to set a new world record at auction.

    The 1939 Auto Union D-Type is estimated to fetch a jaw-dropping $A15 million when it goes under the hammer at Christie’s February 16-17 Retromobile 2007 auction in Paris.

    Thought to be one of only five related cars in existence – one of which is shown in our main photo – the Ferdinand Porsche-designed D-Type was commissioned by Hitler to help prove what he believed was the superiority and might of the Third Reich.

    According to Christie’s, among its many victories, the car being auctioned in Paris won the 1939 Belgrade Grand Prix, in the hands of the legendary Tazio Nuvolari and the 1939 Reims GP, with Hermann Muller at the wheel.

    Christie’s also claims that the Auto Union D-Type is one of the most significant cars in motorsport history and one of the most important cars ever to appear at auction.

    After securing the German chancellery in 1933, Hitler announced a 500,000-reichmark grant to any car-maker able to build a race car with futuristic technologies that would flaunt the Third Reich’s technical prowess internationally.

    Although Mercedes-Benz originally took on the challenge, it was Auto Union – today known as Audi – which delivered the finished product. The engineer behind the project was an Auto Union employee by the name of Ferdinand Porsche…

    The car was contextually ultra-modern and proved to be devastatingly competitive.

    With its never-before-seen mid-mounted, 3.0-litre, twin-supercharged V12, the D-type sent an amazing 360kW through its rear wheels – rocketing its 850kg to an astonishing 295km/h.

    Safety rated low on the engineers’ list of priorities and, like most of its contemporaries, the car lacked even a roll cage. In those days, it was considered preferable to be flung from a car in a crash, rather than contained within it. Not surprisingly, casualty rates in the early days of motorsport were high.

    According to Christie’s, several D-type cars were lost or destroyed in the aftermath of World War II. The car up for auction in Paris was one of two taken to post-war Soviet Russia to be stripped down and studied for its technologies. It was here that, in 1982, the dismembered racing relics were discovered, largely intact and ready for the crushers.

    The discovery came after a decade-long search by Ukraine-born American classic car collector, Paul Karassik, who, according to Britain’s Telegraph, smuggled the disassembled cars back to the US under the false floor of a campervan.

    Karassik approached British restoration firm Crosthwaite and Gardiner about rebuilding the two cars using the largely complete set of parts. Following the meticulous restoration which followed, one car was sold to Audi and the other – the Belgrade GP-winning car – was bought by Abba Kogan, a Brazilian collector who lives in Monaco.

    It’s Kogan’s car that’s up for sale and tipped to break the current 20-year-old record of world’s highest auction price for a car, held by a 1931 Bugatti Royale that was auctioned in Britain for a lip-biting $A13.8 million.

    Other race car highlights of Christie’s Retromobile auction include the 1951 Talbot Lago T26GS "Barquette" in which Pierre Levegh single-handedly drove 23 of the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1952, and a 1928 Amilcar MCO which broke six 1100cc class speed with works driver Morel at the wheel.
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    Saw a documentary on Foxtel once about that car. Absolutely awesome.

    Hitler had a fine taste in automobiles. Those big Merc's he used to get around in are also pimp.

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    360kw & 4W vented drums FTW
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    ill only buy it if it has a dose pipe
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    360kw put through 185/85/22 Continentals and a single pegga? Impressed.

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    I have a couple of period posters of these from the 'Ring. IMHO this era of F1 racing was the coolest. You needed to have big balls. Two of them.
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    I'm pretty suspicious of 360kW. 360HP maybe.

    and lol at this:

    smuggled the disassembled cars back to the US under the false floor of a campervan
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexinPerth
    I'm pretty suspicious of 360kW.
    why?
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    It'd be an alcoholic wouldn't it? 360kW would be right.

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    "3.0-litre, twin-supercharged V12" - sure its no 2J, but no reason why it wouldn't make decent power!
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917

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    360kW out of a 3 litre engine in 1939.

    490HP.

    163HP per litre.

    What was the typical specific outputs of other 1939 engines?

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    The Alfa 12C (~1937) made about 450bhp from a S/C 4.5 V12.

    The Merc Silver Arrows were more like 700bhp from about 5.5L.

    It's not a stretch at all - they ran on alcohol, were heavily supercharged, revved to the moon and had a lot of cylinders. That, coupled with drum brakes, tractor suspension and bike tyres and you've got yourself quite an interesting day.
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    360kW doesn't sound that outlandish if they're using superchargers at 11tybillion psi

    i'd imagine this thing has more in common with aero engines really.
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    There was a great video of Fangio (in a silver arrow) racing Brabham (in one of his later cars) in Australia. Looks like it may have been an exhibition "race" in the 70s at some Aussie Touring car round. The Silver Arrow, despite probably being 10-20 years younger and Fangio being some 10-20 years older held its own!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexinPerth
    360kW out of a 3 litre supercharged race engine in 1939.

    490HP.

    163HP per litre.

    What was the typical specific outputs of other 1939 engines?

    Alex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr
    There was a great video of Fangio (in a silver arrow) racing Brabham (in one of his later cars) in Australia. Looks like it may have been an exhibition "race" in the 70s at some Aussie Touring car round. The Silver Arrow, despite probably being 10-20 years younger and Fangio being some 10-20 years older held its own!
    Aww man, if you could find it...
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    as an example, an elephant pushes over a tree to eat the fresh leaves at the top, but a human isnt allowed to build a machine that makes a car so he can drive around to places quicker?

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    Does anyone think Jerry Seinfeld might buy it...he is Jewish, has a lot of money & collects cars associated with Nazis (Porsches).

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    I've seen it - it's awesome and quite long too. I think I got it from here, so have a dig around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr
    There was a great video of Fangio (in a silver arrow) racing Brabham (in one of his later cars) in Australia. Looks like it may have been an exhibition "race" in the 70s at some Aussie Touring car round. The Silver Arrow, despite probably being 10-20 years younger and Fangio being some 10-20 years older held its own!
    That was at the 1978 Hang Ten 500 at Sandown. It was meant to be a demonstration, but the boys started going for it. The Benz is the W196 and the Brabham is the 1966 F1 car.....BT19 I think??

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    Does this mean the $5.5 million paid for the 66 Shelby record wil be broken again!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremolo
    Thanks Cal and Tremelo.

    If you watch it, make sure you turn up the sound!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tremolo
    The Alfa 12C (~1937) made about 450bhp from a S/C 4.5 V12.

    The Merc Silver Arrows were more like 700bhp from about 5.5L.

    It's not a stretch at all - they ran on alcohol, were heavily supercharged, revved to the moon and had a lot of cylinders. That, coupled with drum brakes, tractor suspension and bike tyres and you've got yourself quite an interesting day.
    Fair enough. I'd be pretty inclined to take all those power figures with a huge grain of salt though.

    <argumentative mode off>

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    Please guys, no more racist bullshit. I was part of the action but I thought my comment was funny/ less offensive, but that was a mistake. Zero tolerance thread now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klampykixx View Post
    as an example, an elephant pushes over a tree to eat the fresh leaves at the top, but a human isnt allowed to build a machine that makes a car so he can drive around to places quicker?

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    Was the post with the star of David considered racist, cause it's gone? I found that to be a fasinating piece of automotive history when I found out about it.

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    There was comment on another post in there I think. I thought I'd start from fresh and you can feel free to repost it mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal
    I found that to be a fasinating piece of automotive history when I found out about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmuz
    There was comment on another post in there I think. I thought I'd start from fresh and you can feel free to repost it mate.
    Cheers big fella.

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