True Street Blown

[BoganDAVE]

The Aust pro street association is wanting to see if there is any interest in a True Street Blown class, currently there is no class for 'blown' cars in true street.

My view is that the rules will be pretty simple, but be something like:

255 drag radial
3000 pound minimum
Glass all round
No tubs
Standard suspension pickup points
Working lights

They are trying to determine if there is interest in the class, I know a lot of cars from here would meet the rules.

If you are interested please post in this thread: http://www.austprostassc.com.au/phpB...hp?f=13&t=1269

Adrian said that he will pay for the trophy

[BoganDAVE]

ps. I think this could be another opportunity to get pro street and sport compact cars running together

[greenhj]

I do think the power adder needs limiting to ONE type, of SMALLER size than the MSB, and a radial tyre limit (255 sounds good) would be my suggestion.

The cars will run hell quick anyway, and it seperates the TSB from the MSB class, if you want to go faster then step up to MSB, want to race TSB then take some power out of it.

No weight minimum needed because the rules say all street shit should be in the car, No pulling out headlights and NO AFTERMARKET BLOCKS, MUST BE OEM ENGINES.

[BoganDAVE]

limiting poweradder is no good for attracting the sport compact cars who use a shot to get off the line. Make the tyre the limiting factor. Don't bother trying to limit the engine, because that just makes things more expensive and difficult for everyone.

Only reason i said 3000 pound is that it need to ensure safety, whilst allowing a wide range of cars. What would your HJ weigh in at?

[BoganDAVE]

Would love to see something like Scott's supra running against something like the VK, heads up, run what you brung.

[BoganDAVE]

No weight minimum needed because the rules say all street shit should be in the car, No pulling out headlights and NO AFTERMARKET BLOCKS, MUST BE OEM ENGINES.

Thats where I think it should be 'street radial' as the true street rules are not great for the sport compact guys. Also, oem engines will knock out a lot of cool cars.

I don't need to run a rear seat on the street, yet I need to in true street

[myliberty]

I can't fit 4 tyres that big under a liberty.

fail.

[greenhj]

limiting poweradder is no good for attracting the sport compact cars who use a shot to get off the line. Make the tyre the limiting factor. Don't bother trying to limit the engine, because that just makes things more expensive and difficult for everyone.

Only reason i said 3000 pound is that it need to ensure safety, whilst allowing a wide range of cars. What would your HJ weigh in at?

my hj wont get anywhere near 3500lbs with all the turbo shit in it.

an LJ/LC in street trim and alloy headed small block v8 with a plate wont be anywhere near 3000lbs either, stupid thing is you cannot build one without a chassis kit and get it engineered yet theyre not legal for TS either.

If you spend big fucking dollars to weld and brace the car you might pass a torsional rigidity and get it through so more dollars and you end up with a lighter car anyway than the other guy who cant/wont spend the money on the testing.

I know for a fact I can get a holdenv8 into a EH and make the shell stiff enough to pass without the chassis kit, and that fucker would go under 2800lbs no problem.

weight breaks are for suckers, i build a heavy car thats my bad luck.

Engineers for engine swaps sucks arse when a car fitted with SBC/SBW can build a 430+ cube small block with all the good shit.

But what isnt fair is there aint an aftermarket holden block thats any good for APSA (except outlaw)

[greenhj]

Thats where I think it should be 'street radial' as the true street rules are not great for the sport compact guys. Also, oem engines will knock out a lot of cool cars.

I don't need to run a rear seat on the street, yet I need to in true street

so go race outlaw and do whatever the fuck you want to your car, creating a class is one thing but there is already outlaw radial, MS/, PS/ for all the cars that wont comply with one *supposed* entry level class.

The rules for TS are good, except for the aftermarket block deal and i only sook about that because i like my holdens and dont like engineers and their bullshit (or the cost to keep holdens alive if i were stupid enough to try and be competitive)

[2rismo]

limiting poweradder is no good for attracting the sport compact cars who use a shot to get off the line.

Don't need gas to tree you, trap you and show you the hazards, cunt.

[HoonBoy]

Sounds like another class creation to suit a small bunch of guys who have/want cars outside of the current rules. Last thing we need is more classes in drag racing.

[greenhj]

Sounds like another class creation to suit a small bunch of guys who have/want cars outside of the current rules. Last thing we need is more classes in drag racing.

wash your mouth out hoon.

tis a good idea for TSB, but no one will be happy and everyone will still sook regardless of the rules.

so nothing much different from every other class of racing in motorsport lol.

BTW APSA run their own events, it aint going to be an andra class.

[BoganDAVE]

Sounds like another class creation to suit a small bunch of guys who have/want cars outside of the current rules. Last thing we need is more classes in drag racing.

See the point, but Andra is a fucking joke when it comes to this kind of stuff, dyo and bracket racing can go and bite my balls. I love watching cars launch, stop, go again then brake on the line, awesome spectical

As far as pro street goes, there are a massive amount of cars floating around that currently have nowhere to race. Look at ProVKs car off here, there is nowhere for that to run currently. shit there are 4 or 5 other VKs alone that I know will run into the 9s on a small tyre. The pro840 VK from up here is a great example of a street car that sees street time, that can run 9s but has nowhere to race.

Half the cars that grace the pages of zoom would fit squarely in here, attracting both pro-street and sport compact small tyre cars. Small tyre stuff is huge in the states, would be great to see it too.

[juiced]

Just drag race on the street. Run what you brung.

[prasac]

don't limit turbo size, limit engine size. car has to be fully registered, engineered. meaning the engine in the car had to comply with RTA rules, none of this 350ci in a Torana or Capri etc. should allow bit of tubbing make it safer for the fast cars or limit the tyre size to 28 x 10.5'' and drive the cunt to the track, if u live close enough

[BoganDAVE]

wash your mouth out hoon.

tis a good idea for TSB, but no one will be happy and everyone will still sook regardless of the rules.

so nothing much different from every other class of racing in motorsport lol.

BTW APSA run their own events, it aint going to be an andra class.

agree about the sooking, which is why I think you keep the rules to a minimum, either for safety, or to make sure they remain street cars. Getting the most out of a small tyre would be the focus.

[Shifty]

heads up is a little pointless unless you seriously limit tyres... and then it just starts to become dangerous.

[BoganDAVE]

don't limit turbo size, limit engine size. car has to be fully registered, engineered. meaning the engine in the car had to comply with RTA rules, none of this 350ci in a Torana or Capri etc. should allow bit of tubbing make it safer for the fast cars or limit the tyre size to 28 x 10.5'' and drive the cunt to the track, if u live close enough

rules are different in every state, way to compliacted and that car would fit straight into the outlaw drag radial class. With your rules there you could run 7.50s.

Tubbed cars aren't street cars, imho.

[Tripper]

don't limit turbo size, limit engine size. car has to be fully registered, engineered. meaning the engine in the car had to comply with RTA rules, none of this 350ci in a Torana or Capri etc. should allow bit of tubbing make it safer for the fast cars or limit the tyre size to 28 x 10.5'' and drive the cunt to the track, if u live close enough

what about older cars that are engineered or even cars like blackbarts old statesman that was done before engineering requirements and its legal on the road.
No matter what rules you throw up it will always be a can of worms.

[prasac]

if it's legally allowed to drive on the street then it should be allowed to race. that is a true street car, a car that is driven around and driven to the track.

[BoganDAVE]

your missing the point

Road rego rules as a guidance are terrible as they are completely inconsistent, and there is no way anything quick would comply with all rule.

Up in qld I am not allowed to tub or move suspension points, even with engineer signoff, whereas in other states you can. I am allowed to run a 6 point cage, but I don't think you can in other states.

[greenhj]

agree about the sooking, which is why I think you keep the rules to a minimum, either for safety, or to make sure they remain street cars. Getting the most out of a small tyre would be the focus.

a 255 is hardly a small tyre when there are a fuckload of cars it wont fit under stock tubs, and if you allow people to cut cars up and spool with nos etc then it becomes a small car 2j field straight away.

those cars can race MSB or outlaw now.

me personally, if tyre is the only limit, make it 235 and do whatever the fuck you want.

lets see some innovation in how you apply the power, rather than who has the most of it because as much as i like fast cars, i like smart cars better.

[Shifty]

A good restriction would be the requirement for a single 3" exhaust system from B pillar to within 6" of rear of the bodywork, running at least one muffler and where post-86 a cat also

go for gold on tyres, power adders, fuel, etc but no modification to chassis rail and not protruding beyond bodywork.

3" exhaust will ultimately even everything up.

[BoganDAVE]

happy to see a 235, if that gets more people into the class. I just picked 255 cause that is what a lot of cars can fit, but I think bigger grids are more important than going .5 sec quicker.

Any feedback from the sport compact guys?

[prasac]

your missing the point

Road rego rules as a guidance are terrible as they are completely inconsistent, and there is no way anything quick would comply with all rule.

Up in qld I am not allowed to tub or move suspension points, even with engineer signoff, whereas in other states you can. I am allowed to run a 6 point cage, but I don't think you can in other states.

our Capri has engineers certificates for every mod. runs 8.34@164 currently sits probably number 11 in MSB. no intention to run in TSB but it proves it can be done.

[BoganDAVE]

our Capri has engineers certificates for every mod. runs 8.34@164 currently sits probably number 11 in MSB. no intention to run in TSB but it proves it can be done.

which is awesome, but I am sure it could also be defected off the road in about 10 secs as well

No way the same car could be engineered up here, which is where the problem lies.

Mine is going to be mod plated for the diff, cage, seats etc, but there will still be a list of shit as long as your arm that it could be taken off the road for If I crossed the border into nsw then the list would still be long, but different.

How do you go with the difference in size of front and rear tyres?

[Eurorogerrevolution]

I agree here , there needs to be a more sports compact orientated class for forced induction v8's . You may probably need a few classes . As a guide maybe do engine size classes :
under 4l , 4 to 6l and 6l + ?
Its a growing field and its good that the initiative has started to make a class exclusively for them

[greenhj]

As much as i like that car prasac youd never, ever get that thing registered in pricktoria.

from an outsiders perspective NSW seems to have the most lax laws in the country as far as whats registerable.

[prasac]

which is awesome, but I am sure it could also be defected off the road in about 10 secs as well

No way the same car could be engineered up here, which is where the problem lies.

there is really only 1 thing it could get done for and it's petty, 99.99% of FI builds would have the same problem.

[prasac]

As much as i like that car prasac youd never, ever get that thing registered in pricktoria.

from an outsiders perspective NSW seems to have the most lax laws in the country as far as whats registerable.

i know what you're saying, but it's legal if you get my drift. NSW is pretty laxed but the cunts always ask to see engineers certificates, only thing it's got going for it's a 4L V8 so it isn't noisy driving down the street so cops tend to leave u alone.

it would be a great class and it's needed.

i honestly would love to see a car that is legal to drive on the road, fuck all the little shit like tyres, pod filters etc if u limit tyre size who cares if it's tubbed. if the car meets RTA engine capacity rules, funs factory style suspension and it is driven to the track, to me that is a True Street car no matter what anyone says.