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    13's for $1300 BMW E30 323i

    on blocks where it was found for $500








    it was washed, oil and filters changed, new windscreen and registered within 2 weeks of that photo, waiting for son to email current pics, but doesn't look much different, but is opposite of apearing like a 4wd.
    have purchased 535i AFM and injectors for $100, waiting to hear back on manifold, that is about all until we get some other parts, when done, son will drive over from Adelaide to run it at Heathcote
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    son emailed pics




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    That's assuming that in 100yrs we will need Iron Ore/Gas/Coal etc. Thankfully, Labor has introduced the Carbon Tax, so in 100yrs we be able to build cars, buildings and boats from Tea Leafs and hugs.

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    lets just say I need a T3 turbo...
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    Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchypiMp View Post
    V I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchypiMp View Post
    Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong

    Tell edo to stop taking your photos too.
    works in conjunction with this
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=160522819575

    another $40 to the tally
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchypiMp View Post
    Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong

    Tell edo to stop taking your photos too.
    not knowing bmw's, the following is general info, there may be something im missing thats bmw specific...

    AFM's cant actually 'see' boost, all they do is measure mass air flowing through it. take any given AFM, if its on a 2l motor with 1bar being shoved down its throat, or on a 4L NA motor, it will see the same mass airflow through it (not allowing for small differences in VE between the two motors of course). it probly just so happens that when you get to Xpsi, thats when the ECU will see too high of a voltage from the AFM and assume somethings wrong.

    the same thing would happen if you took all the electrics out of that car and put them on a naturally aspirated 454, you'd get halfway through the rev range at WOT, there would be too much air moving through it and it would poop itself.

    so OP is getting an AFM out of another car, that outputs less voltage for a given amount of mass air. ECU will never see the high voltage and not poop itself
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    But the ECU will wrongly assume there is less load than there actually is and provide too much ignition timing and not enough fuel. So this needs to be compensated for by similar bodgy means, such as bigger injectors and or more fuel pressure (almost perfect solution for boost) and winding off timing on the distributer (can work but has its own issues). This is what 13s for $1300 in is all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1uzusee View Post
    That's assuming that in 100yrs we will need Iron Ore/Gas/Coal etc. Thankfully, Labor has introduced the Carbon Tax, so in 100yrs we be able to build cars, buildings and boats from Tea Leafs and hugs.

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    I have a feeling that this is the only car in the challenge that is actually a daily driver, after the challenge, some bodgy stuff will be tidied up a little, but not a whole lot

    manifold purchased for $100



    from here

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    Quote Originally Posted by morerevsm3 View Post
    lets just say I need a T3 turbo...
    I have a busted r33 turbo at home?
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    busted, as in doesn't work? I need something that works, with internal gate
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2JZR31 View Post
    But the ECU will wrongly assume there is less load than there actually is and provide too much ignition timing and not enough fuel. So this needs to be compensated for by similar bodgy means, such as bigger injectors and or more fuel pressure (almost perfect solution for boost) and winding off timing on the distributer (can work but has its own issues). This is what 13s for $1300 in is all about.
    This is more so what I was getting at. Bigger injectors will definitely work when on boost under load but idle and low/part throttle will be the issue as the flap type afm is only effective up to around 3500 - 4000rpm. Anything over that the ecu basically operates injector timing in relation to known values stored in memory compared to engine rpm. Timing is also a major factor to consider. Bosch l jet doesn't control timing, it's done traditionally with fly weights and vacumn retard so you may be able to jig something there.

    Either way, have at it and I will be following with interest. Best of luck.
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    the bigger AFM is offset by the bigger injectors, I had same AFM and injectors in my E30 when I had the 2.7 in it, just gives a lot more head room, the second regulator looks after fuel on boost, and distributor will be played with to control timing to some degree. after the challenge, a 2.7 with 885 head will go in it, the lower compression will keep it a good daily (I hope)
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    have an r32 turbo here. also in adelaide

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    how much you want for it?
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    well i did want $200 for it as its in very good condition and has all lines and stock dump. What is the going rate these days?

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    in the sirit of this cheap arse challenge, how about $130?
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    hmmm ill want a little more but i am sure we can work something out. shoot me a pm. where you located?

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    Tim (my son) met up with vet 180 today and purchased turbo with dump, oil lines, and intercooler for $200, that should be all the big ticket items out of the way, and I should have enough fittings and exhaust bits to do the rest laying around, I even have a good second hand pair of exhaust manifold gaskets, will have to go and pick his car up in a few weeks when work quietens down a bit, should be able to have it running in a weekend once car and parts are all here
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    should only need about 130rwkw to get this into 13's, my caged E30 sedan weighs 1050kg with me in it, so should be able to at least match the weight
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    Hmmmm maybe 150ish

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    well, will see what sort of power we can get, then remove more weight if necessary
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    Quote Originally Posted by morerevsm3 View Post
    yeah my mate who owns half the turbo with me, was like i am not selling that cheap to some forum fag like ns. i said he is from pf....hook him up.

    in fact i have some bits around the place i might put up for others.
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    mecmw on eurocca is making about 200hp with 5-6psi out of his SC14 equipped 323. I would think you should be able to shit 150kW in, just gotta get some fuel in it. A piggy back to drive some extra fuel in it and you would be there!

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    130rwkw is all a SC14 will put out on anything.
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    ^^^thats it. the 32 turbs can do 160rwkws

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30guy View Post
    mecmw on eurocca is making about 200hp with 5-6psi out of his SC14 equipped 323. I would think you should be able to shit 150kW in, just gotta get some fuel in it. A piggy back to drive some extra fuel in it and you would be there!
    I think I may be driving too much fuel in with bigger injectors, and fuel pressure rising 12 psi for every psi boost. above turbo is now for sale, found T04 for more boosts

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