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    DAY SIX: (6/1/11) FRONT END and REAR END BEGINS

    Overnight the POR15 paint dried and I was able to handle the components. I like the finish you can achieve with nothing more than a brush, but getting the part clean is critical. It comes up like a glossy hard enamel and should endure well on the underside of the car. There is no need for it to be a show pony but since the actual car is so shitty looking, all the safety items looking like they've seen some love doesn't hurt.



    The photo demonstrates the difference between the OEM bush and the new Nolathane replacement. The boots give the appearance of a new ball joint. It will however need to be greased up like a scotsman. The bushes for the torsion bar (castor and D bush not pictured) are second hand but useable.



    And the master was stripped cleaned and re-assembled for a second time. There may be a third with and actual re-kit it for peace of mind but since i still have to make a trip to Darby's brakes I can afford to wait a little. Then do hard lines, pads and calliper kit in one go.




    I see there is a little curiosity around the driveline. I mentioned earlier i had a 9 inch as a diff option. It came from a fucked out RX5-121 i scored on ebay for peanuts at the end of 2009. I gutted it completely in a day. It gave up a new 13bPP, RX5 box and the 9 inch diff.



    The diff is physically the same width as the RX4 diff (1410mm). It runs a 4.88 LSD centre, no idea on spline count, commodore stud pattern and brakes. It was built by RUPCOL diffs (that's the red stickers).

    To double check the fitment complete with some MooMoo chasers running 225/60/15's here it is shoved under the rear 1/2 of the smashed coupe...although not centred properly.



    I tried to sell this a few times but got a couple of fuck arounds and no serious takers. To set it up for RX4 it just needs the RX5 mounts lopped off and conventional spring platforms welded on. I think a couple of the mounts may be re-useable as a ghetto 2-link. Can supply a bare 929 housing to make a jig so the job should be easy enough if anyone here wants to attempt the job (for PF cred and man love at bbq) it would be mucho appreciated to keep the costs down. Geelong Differentials are on holidays as is McDonald Bros.

    Speaking of which...the 2 link install pics here ----> http://www.mcdonaldbrosracing.com.au/2linkkits.html
    are showing the fitment on an RX4. I think I could do it similarly but not the same by picking up the mount points for the cross bar/loop from the front spring eye pivot.
    Here is a shot of the underside showing where you could run a bar across (notwithstanding exhaust clearance).

    It could be a complete bolt-in. Arms would be donated by a visit to pick-a-part armed with a tape measure. Then cut and shut some adjustability into them. Then make the front pick up brackets. All sounds easy but this won't be happening for a while yet. In the mean time it will be lucky if the old tramp rods go back on.

    There is a different way of doing the 2-link and that is the original way as was done on the top of the line JDM RX4 luce. Basically it had two upper arms going to a removable mount on the rear chassis rail forward of the shocks. For those interested there is bulk info here on AR -----> http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.p...t=rx4+handling



    The 13bPP out of this RX5 was the main point of my bid.


    The seller told me when i went to look that i was the only person who seriously enquired and actually came to look at it. I then found out this motor cost in the vicinity of $8k from Rank Rotary in 1998 or thereabouts. It has brand new from mazda everything bar the apex seals which are Ianetti ceramics, but they are brand new too. The motor was set up in the car with injection, wolf 3d and M&W cdi but never ran. It was well sealed and still full of oil/petroleum jelly as this pic shows.



    I'm not a huge fan of the PP. I very nearly stripped this motor to sell as a set of ready-done PP housings and plates. Then plan was to get Jed Simmons to port up a set of BP plates (if you have never seen his work, trust me the bloke is at the top of his game and has close ties to Rohan @ Extreme).

    But with no desperate need for the cash, and a very decent 230 odd hp BP motor sitting there already, I shelved any plans until I had a firmer idea of the perfect driveline for my genuine RX4.

    And as I have posted, can't rule any combo in or out until i have crunched the numbers and competed honestly by actually building the car.

    Tomorrow the block comes out of the RX7 and an auto comes out of that munted RX4 which looks like it was hit by a road train.
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    i think these will be fast. or go fast then bang. hopefully not the later.
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    Personally I think there are going to be faster/more powerful cars than my entry but i'm going to refrain from debating other entries beyond giving my support and encouragement to all participants.

    I am aiming to not break anything, but the challenge is then to not over-engineer it either at the expense of weight/hp loss and budget concerns. We are all going to be at the mercy of the unknowns with cars built this cheaply.

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    You remind me of me. You have spares and cars squirrelled away everywhere.

    Hilarious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron_hogan View Post
    Personally I think there are going to be faster/more powerful cars than my entry but i'm going to refrain from debating other entries beyond giving my support and encouragement to all participants.
    Good way of thinking! I look at this as a demonstration of what is achievable on a tight budget... Entry level racing is within reach for everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianttomato View Post
    You remind me of me. You have spares and cars squirrelled away everywhere.

    Hilarious!
    aaron's is my personal wrecking yard, plus he makes a great coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by galant_hardtop View Post
    Good way of thinking! I look at this as a demonstration of what is achievable on a tight budget... Entry level racing is within reach for everyone!
    THIS!
    This is what I want to acheive with my wagon. I'd love to go all out on a car, but I figure low budget, lots of DIY and then get out there and enjoy the thing, rather than worry about spending tens of thousands on blah blah blah and it never seeing the light of day. I predict an epic amount of gigglesa and smiles when this thing is up and running.
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    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Wow, this one looks kind of awesome

    subscribed for sure, interested as to when this bbq is at too....would love to kick tyres
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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~ANNOUNCEMENT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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    Wednesday January 26 (Australia Day)
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    express your interest in attending and I'll cut a list.

    JJJ Hottest 100/BBQ/DRINKS/TIRE KICKING/13's FOR $1300 LYNCHING PREP.

    Will size up how big this is and can probably put on a bit of basic grub, communal esky, cheap ass beers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rx213b View Post
    Wow, this one looks kind of awesome

    subscribed for sure, interested as to when this bbq is at too....would love to kick tyres
    you better be driving the RX-2 to the barbie or expect a gearboxing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stix Z
    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim
    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    got all the club reg form signed and just need to give it in to vicroads on monday.

    Then tune and it'll be all ready to go
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    DAY SEVEN: Fri 7/1/11 TAILSHAFTS
    Big day at work and drinks afterward interfered with getting much done. I was expecting to head out again at 11pm but it failed to eventuate. I was wide awake in the middle of the night and have had insomnia for a week so i thought i'd put it to good use.

    Went out tot he shed and managed to go through a literal stack of tail shafts and pick out three I think will be useable. They're all two-piece shafts with a centre bearing. I know one of these is definitely s5 turbo yoke and the other end is specific to the van diff with 4.44's as its a "short nose" carrier. The other was marked RX5 and came from the unit with 9 inch. Interestingly i noticed it just has a normal mazda "13b large" diff flange to match the 9" round flange. The other I assume to be an RX4 auto tail shaft. Being a two piece design I can actually mix and match to get the correct yokes and lengths whatever combo goes in.

    I might go check out pick-a-part first thing Sunday and climb under some R31's and VL's to check the tail shaft and uni sizes with a view to putting something a bit more robust under there down the track.

    For now, its just getting the package together and the "upgrades" can occur subject to priority/risk of breakage/remaining funds.


    DAY EIGHT: 8/1/11 MORE PARTS

    Got behind before I even got out the door today. One visitor after another, some more welcome than others. Finally hit the road at 1pm. With an hour to get there, it can really chew into your day if you don't plan it.

    Aimed to get the 13b out the RX7 today but the weather was fucked. Scorching heat, then massive cool change and very windy followed by pissing down rain. Since the car is outdoors, and engine removal occurs via the block and tackle mounted off the horse yards it was going to be a shit fight from the get go.

    Just found something else on the list to do instead. Needed the 3spd auto just to cover off all my options. It was pretty straight forward to remove given the car is blocked up high off the ground and engineless. Not much more to come off this thing and then i can have it cubed.

    Loaded up my engine crane and a heap of random RX4 parts that were put in boxes and shoved inside a car many moons ago (I seem to recall 2001?). The thing with this was the frustration of the door mechanisms kind of seizing some years back and i just gave up on it because it wasn't that important.

    The doors were unlocked and the handle moves but doesn't open (this was also encountered on the current project's LH door). To open the car i doused it with WD40 through the window bailey channel. No joy. Ended up removing the door at the hinges then it literally fell off

    Fuck me there was some gold in there. Stuff i completely forgot I had which will lift the interior condition a bit.

    Tomorrow the weather should be more appropriate and one way or another that 13b is coming out and will be in my driveway Sunday arvo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rx213b View Post
    got all the club reg form signed and just need to give it in to vicroads on monday.

    Then tune and it'll be all ready to go
    who'd you get to sign it? About time, you realise it's been 5 or so years?

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    Got behind before I even got out the door today. One visitor after another, some more welcome than others.
    sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by aaron_hogan
    Tomorrow the weather should be more appropriate and one way or another that 13b is coming out and will be in my driveway Sunday arvo.
    I will try and get out of this thing tomorrow early, failing that I will drop past in the evening and we can do stuff until dusk/work in shed. I have to get some filters for the Rover as well, wait until you see the air filters.
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    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sv_i View Post
    who'd you get to sign it? About time, you realise it's been 5 or so years?
    Ray Potts, he said all cool as I had proof of rwc and it met historic reg requirements. Yes I know it has been 6 years, I bought the shell in 3/04
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    Pottsy is a top bloke. Unfortunately he likes and drives french cars. WTF.
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    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    More info on club/historic rego applicability and cost to this 929?

    I'm thinking it will sail through a RWC with the only major issue being EPA noise level. Mostly since i have no idea how loud this old 3" system is. Lends itself to using the most conservative motor to get the legalities straightened out.

    While not 100% necessary, and i need another rego to pay like a hole in the side of my dick, I must admit the attraction of being able to give it a Sunday squirt to the shops, or nearest industrial area, is growing on me.

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    PM coming your way
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoges
    More info on club/historic rego applicability and cost to this 929?

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    PM coming your way
    club membership secretary is my mate, think the family that you know from abandoned vehicle auctions.
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    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    dear vic pol/vicroads:

    disclaimer: car club that rx213b has signed up to and that I am also in does not in no way endorse or support illegal rwc's, dangerous driving, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stix Z
    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    You just used a double negative
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    DAY NINE: 9/1/11 ENGINE REMOVAL

    Well i got out there and pulled the block from the RX7. Straight forward so I'll spare you the write up. The pic says it all.



    After a quick stop at the car wash on the way home, most of the paint came off with the pressure wash. Which is good, because i hate red painted engines. They show up every bit of grime. I'll paint strip the rest of it off.



    I had a look down the (stock) exhaust ports and saw that this engine has excellent rotor housings and very clean rotors. A sign of a recent build using decent parts. Also i'm glad to see this engine has not got marks on the flywheel nut from a cold chisel. As this is usually the first warning sign of an engine built by a careless fuckwit. If they don't have the correct 54mm flywheel socket then how likely is it that they REALLY know how to set the clearances properly or go to the trouble of replacing anything out of spec.



    Geoff came over and gave me a hand to have a quick clean up. I got the bright idea...



    At least we had a good laugh!

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    Do you live on a ley line?

    Not sure what else could explain the sudden appearance of a miniature gearbox based Stonehenge on your driveway.

    Loving this build, especially the bit where you have been prodded into doing something useful with a huge collection of unsightly crap. Keep up the good work man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rx213b View Post
    you just used a double negative
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stix Z
    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    I went through and started tossing some broken stuff away, pulled some dashboard and interior parts out of the grass and got them sorted, if venus lines up with the house of uranus and it doesn't rain/flood/earth split in half, there should be some good progress this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stix Z
    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim
    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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    aaron yo u have a pm bloke!

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    aaron i need an rx5/121 bootlock with matching key. hoook a brotha up.

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    Man I am still in awe of the amount of parts you have squirreled away.
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    slickrx: pm'd back. forums lost my very long reply. easier to speak face to face or at least on the phone.

    outy: i can look through my stuff. i'm not sure that the bootlock from the 121 was any good. I think it had been screw-drivered (not by me). If its the same lock as rx4 you might have a chance. Otherwise i refer you to Wes or the other RX5 freaks. Also, consider putting a boot release solenoid in there (look at one from a falcon boot or fuel flap).

    xwavgas: there is more to a factor of untold proportions. If i can reduce my hours at work i may get through other projects this year. Including tidythefuckinggarage project.

    Where i've got caught is that you start to resto a car and others of its kind keep coming your way. My pet hate is cunts that dismantle cars and sell them as stripped shells with 4 trailer loads of shit that needs to be stored somewhere.

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    its got a factory fitted boot release cable (at least i think its factory fitted as its down by the drivers seat) just need a lock to fill up the hole. rx4 locks arent big enough in diameter or need a backing plate - not sure.


    so is the engine going in, ported at all ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sv_i View Post
    I went through and started tossing some broken stuff away, pulled some dashboard and interior parts out of the grass and got them sorted, if venus lines up with the house of uranus and it doesn't rain/flood/earth split in half, there should be some good progress this week.
    WTF?

    Good for a laugh here but otherwise sensible cunts storing gearboxes upright worries me.

    Due to gravity most of the of the shit in the oil ends up in the front bearing.
    Sceptic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momus View Post
    WTF?

    Good for a laugh here but otherwise sensible cunts storing gearboxes upright worries me.

    Due to gravity most of the of the shit in the oil ends up in the front bearing.
    I kid you not, I found some interior trim under some weeds. I also found a bumper under a hedge.

    aaron does store gearboxes horizontally, stacked like gearboxhenge was purely for lols.

    ps - do you do wheel stud conversions Momus? I think i spoke to you ages ago via pm on ipra forum about my now crashed 1300, I referred Mo to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stix Z
    i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
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    Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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