Cracka's white boy shitbox Gen 3 Liberty. TT V6 wouldn't fit so now V12.

**ALLMTR** · 09-05-12, 12:06 AM

Yes with VVT only on the intake cam

**vet 180** · 09-05-12, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by lysdexia

VVT could make a huge difference, or a minimal one, it will depend on how conservative it is with it off really. if it gives it a fair advance on the inlet cam then it should make a good difference though.

Interesting that it didn't really respond to more boost though, those turbos on 2.5L each won't really even be in their efficiency range yet.

looks and sounds incredibly staunch though, and no doubt it wil be fucking fast to actually drive!

well if it is in retard mode normally and does advance in the lower rpm (like I think it does. Most toyota works like this) It is not going to effect max power. What it will do is somehow give more torque and power in the low rpm.

Good choice on turbo's aswell as generally the trust/copy items are a little better at low boost levels that the garret equivalent. But as you say interesting more boost doesnt help. Maybe these engines are exhaust port limited?

Be interesting to see where peak torque is made. I dont think these v12's rev too hard. Ideally you want your converter to be set at least 600rpm or so before peak torque. So if its currently making peak torque at 3800rpm its just wasted spinning up the converter instead of frying tyres.

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 06:24 AM

It makes bulk torque down low, the converter just won't allow it to be measured on the dyno at full load.
I am sus that an extra couple of psi made no measured difference, that is a reasonable indicator that the auto is eating up numbers.

It needs a taller diff anyway. 3500rpm at 100 is not going to be practical and it wouldn't trap very well either as it's only 140kmh where the power falls over. I found a VK56 armada diff for $350US on ebay, the internet says you can hybrid them together easily enough.

**BoganDAVE** · 09-05-12, 06:57 AM

Converter too loose?

**macktheknife2** · 09-05-12, 07:59 AM

Whatever the small probs, all a bit chubish aye?

**GSRman** · 09-05-12, 08:35 AM

I am at least semi-engorged.

**bahaimus** · 09-05-12, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by bigmuz

I'm betting that would be another hundred through a manual and it will be a fucking weapon with that much.

Fuck yeah.

Originally Posted by JZK25

Looks like we can get a 2.93 ring and pinion from US R51 too. Needs it.

I reckon I could go the other way with how tall my gearbag ratios are. Except it requires finding a rare aftermarket 4.1 cw/p for the R230 that look to be about $1k a pop.

Originally Posted by myshortyboomba

I think Clayton peed a little.

Maybe a little.

Originally Posted by myshortyboomba

That would be 11000N of tractive effort no?

FUCK. my EZ + GT4088 pushed a peak of 8000N.

nice

And half the traction.

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 06:06 PM

Messed around a bit with the VVT this afternoon. The LH cam syncs perfectly, the RH does not. It has some crazy figure like 6323degree showing. I have a feeling that the 1JZ VVT trigger setup I am using won't accept a second cam to control. Waiting for a call back from mark on it.

I may be able to use a xGR V6 trigger instead as it will have dual VVT. Can't find any info on what crank trigger it uses as yet though.

FOund this on motec forums re 2GRFE.

The cam sensors are hall output mag sensors. They use an IC within to change the mag output to hall. The input to the sensors are 5V and so is the output. The crank is a mag sensor (36 minus 2).

Could be suitable, the crank trigger is correct and assuming it uses 120degree cam lobes could work.

I don't know if you can just choose 36-2 crank and then just configure your own VVT settings.

**myliberty** · 09-05-12, 06:18 PM

That's shit. Sort it out and post skid vid

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 06:42 PM

Don't think VVT will be required for skid vid.

**myliberty** · 09-05-12, 06:49 PM

I'll just wait right here then...

**Suscunt** · 09-05-12, 07:15 PM

+11ty

Originally Posted by myshortyboomba

I'll just wait right here then...

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 07:34 PM

I could have bought it home tonight but it smells of Nicol and has no kiddy seat.

Powerplay?

**myliberty** · 09-05-12, 07:36 PM

it's cracka's toy.

so he'll give the word.

**face** · 09-05-12, 07:47 PM

when is powerplay al?

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 07:54 PM

Cracka still owes me money so it's still mine.

19th Face. Get your shitbox down there. I gots your 3.7 gears, you owe me.

**face** · 09-05-12, 08:03 PM

what are 3.7 out of, is that 19th of this month

**JZK25** · 09-05-12, 08:49 PM

Aftermarket gears I think. Hurry up and fit the fuckers, you have 10days.

**lickmyleftone** · 09-05-12, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by JZK25

I could have bought it home tonight but it smells of Nicol and has no kiddy seat.

Ahhh the smell of Nicol.

If I'm not mistaken that would be a blend of perspiration, bourbon, transmax fluid and frustration.

**BoganDAVE** · 09-05-12, 09:46 PM

twin v12 powerplay?

**jzx83** · 09-05-12, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by lickmyleftone

Ahhh the smell of Nicol.

If I'm not mistaken that would be a blend of perspiration, bourbon, transmax fluid and frustration.

plus tyre smoke, all blended together by fanning it with tailfeathers of a flatulent emu.

Soon to be marketed as a Lynx fragrance - hOOn number 12.

**JZK25** · 10-05-12, 02:09 PM

Righto, I now know a fuckload more about Vipecs and VVt.
Fucked around with it and no matter what the RH cam would not sync. Found out how to do the calibrate shit which all worked fine but still no sync. Ended up changing the VVT mode to 1GRFE and it synced up straight away. Then checked the spark delay which was 4degrees at 5k rpm so adjusted the delay figure to 125(microseconds?) and it's nice and stable.

Time to go back on the dyno. I have JasonP's VVT map for a 2JZ VVT but if any gurus(Dale

) want to give tips it would be appreciated.

**ga70tt** · 10-05-12, 02:22 PM

this is what i like about the work you do Al... every time there in an issue you dont just give up and tell the customer... dunno how to fix... you keep playing with it until it works again...

**bahaimus** · 10-05-12, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by JZK25

Righto, I now know a fuckload more about Vipecs and VVt.
Fucked around with it and no matter what the RH cam would not sync. Found out how to do the calibrate shit which all worked fine but still no sync. Ended up changing the VVT mode to 1GRFE and it synced up straight away. Then checked the spark delay which was 4degrees at 5k rpm so adjusted the delay figure to 125(microseconds?) and it's nice and stable.

Time to go back on the dyno. I have JasonP's VVT map for a 2JZ VVT but if any gurus(Dale

) want to give tips it would be appreciated.

Then shortly you get to reinvent that wheel only this time with a Haltech.........

**millsi** · 10-05-12, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by bigmuz

You guys used to jap engines are always disappointed when you dyno one with a big stall. They just don't show power.

I'm betting that would be another hundred through a manual and it will be a fucking weapon with that much.

Lol, this^^ x a bazillion

**millsi** · 10-05-12, 02:56 PM

Ps, hey al what tractive effort did my shitta make on that dyno?

**JZK25** · 10-05-12, 03:51 PM

Not sure, can overlay the runs for shits and giggles though.

**nickevans** · 10-05-12, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by ga70tt

this is what i like about the work you do Al... every time there in an issue you dont just give up and tell the customer... dunno how to fix... you keep playing with it until it works again...

This x 11ty.

Unfortunately for Al I get the impression that this isn't out of choice. He's just the sort of bloke who won't let it rest until it works the way it should. Good shit Al!

**millsi** · 10-05-12, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by nickevans

This x 11ty.

Unfortunately for Al I get the impression that this isn't out of choice. He's just the sort of bloke who won't let it rest until it works the way it should. Good shit Al!

Nah. what a weak cunt. Couldnt even fit a BOV!

**JZK25** · 10-05-12, 06:32 PM

I didn't want you to be any more gay than your flat brim already made you. It's called customer care.

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