Subaru BRZ - turbo ruled out?

[rj_astra]

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/s...329-1w0d2.html

The entry-level rear-wheel-drive BRZ is powered by a 147kW 2.0-litre boxer four-cylinder engine, and the new version is expected to use the same engine but with a number of modifications to increase its power output to roughly 185kW.

We can definitely develop the intake system," Atake told Auto Express. "There is certainly room for improvement there." Other changes could include a bigger, more free-flowing exhaust system, changes to the engine's valve control and a higher rev limit.

Atake dismissed suggestions of a turbocharged BRZ, claiming there's no room in the engine bay for the required hardware, while supercharging is also out of the question.

[psssi98]

I read a MOTOR mag or something the other day that they built them with a view to the aftermarket industry adding turbos etc and some other wank.

[oioioioioi]

There's a pic in the big BRZ/86 thread with a v8 stuffed in the front, I'm sure the space can be found for a turbo.

[TonyJZX]

yeah it just means Toyoburu can't do it for emissions/warranty etc.

expect everyone else to have kit out

does anyone think that 185kW and still stuff all torque out of 2.0 litres is just kilowatt figures for their own sake

[TJ]

Fucking pussies.

Already one copping an IS-F motor, and another a built ej.

[Rezz]

does anyone think that 185kW and still stuff all torque out of 2.0 litres is just kilowatt figures for their own sake

Depends on the weight of the car. Evo_Lee's AE86 with S2000 donk has that much power (and I would assume the same torque) and it goes very bloody well. Whereas if it had an extra 200kg like the 86/BRZ, it would still be fun, just less so.

That said they do need to go forced induction from the factory at some stage, so I hope Toyota makes the final decision on that and not Subaru... Subaru Japan are a weird bunch. We deal with them every day for car parts and those cunts insist on FAXING everything to us. Evryone else can see the value of email/internet except them.

[Cracka]

All of the fuckwits, top alleged tuners etc are throwing the donk out for a 1980's EJ.

Dickheads.

[oioioioioi]

It'd be an expensive exercise pushing the new motor beyond the limit to find out where the limit was. They don't want to be the first to do it, big whoop, the cars not even on sale yet.

[psssi98]

No V12TT no care.

[rj_astra]

We deal with them every day for car parts and those cunts insist on FAXING everything to us. Evryone else can see the value of email/internet except them.

Banks do this as well. To them email isn't secure.

[TonyJZX]

The BRZ's twin-under-the-skin, the Toyota 86, has been rumoured to be offered as a convertible, and Atake added weight to that chitchat.

"Yes, that is certainly possible. We already have pillarless doors - you can imagine how removing the roof would make the car look," he said. If it does make it to production, it would be the Japanese brand's first production drop-top model.


yay!

[Asteroid]

It would go alright as a vert.

[MRMOPARMAN]

There's a pic in the big BRZ/86 thread with a v8 stuffed in the front, I'm sure the space can be found for a turbo.

if your talking about the youtube vid, the firewall was cut out of it.

having said that im sure theres room for one, even if it has to be a rear mount

[Cracka]

It'd be an expensive exercise pushing the new motor beyond the limit to find out where the limit was. They don't want to be the first to do it, big whoop, the cars not even on sale yet.

The engines are cheap and available now.

[UZZ31]

The F20C made ~180kw and did it with less static CR than this engine, so its doable on a budget less than a Ferrari

For the type of car this is, a high-output n/a engine is imo preferable to a turbo, its not as if youre going to need a billion hp to make it seriously quick

Besides, if whats known about the Aisin 6-speed is true, turbo torque will break it pretty quick

[UZZ31]

Of course the other option is they are just denying there will be a FI model because if they didnt everyone would hold off buying the current car

[JZK25]

No room for a turbo, LOL.

The turbo system is so bulky.

[rj_astra]

No room for a turbo, LOL.

The turbo system is so bulky.

Did you read the specs of the NA version? How they reduced the width/height/length of the induction/exhaust to make it fit the FT86?
Does this look like it adds to any of those measurements??

[chino]

Surely there would be 21652 jap workshops working on FI kits in the very near future... even if they say they aren't, there must be a market for it!

[JZK25]

DO the pictures above not work for you?

So they moved the engine rearward for max weight distribution awesomeness but there is now no room for a front mounted turbo?

FA20 is BRZ specific so it's not really a surprise that the manifolding was made specifically for it.

[TonyJZX]

Of course the other option is they are just denying there will be a FI model because if they didnt everyone would hold off buying the current car

this makes most sense

at the very least Toyota will be using this platform until 2017/2018... you can guess what they need to add to keep the car fresh... DSG, hybrid, kers/regen, hardtop vert, low boost low capacity version...

[CXTdreamer]

Emissions would be better with a turbo wouldn't they?

[TonyJZX]

Everything is better with a turbo™

[Rezz]

Banks do this as well. To them email isn't secure.

We're not dealing with highly classified info...

[farmsci]

I think marketing would play a big role in the decision also, Subaru play the AWD card in a big way and having a car that outlaps an impreza STI that is 2WD would present PR headaches.

Look at Porsche, the cayman is a better sportscar platform than 911. Porsche won't turbo it because it would be faster than a 911 turbo.

[rj_astra]

DO the pictures above not work for you?

Compared with its FB20 sibling in the Impreza, the port- (for low-speed driving) and direct-injected (for mid- to high-speeds) FA boasts a 12 cm shorter height, a 6.6 cm lower intake manifold, a 1.8 cm lower exhaust manifold, and reversed intake plumbing that allows it to sit 24 cm rearward.

That would seem to suggest that there is no room for a front mounted turbo....

[TonyJZX]

subaru HERE market AWD as a safety device but I can't imagine an RWD sporty car cannot also be a part of their scheme

[JZK25]

That would seem to suggest that there is no room for a front mounted turbo....

Why? Because the inlet manifold is reversed? It's reversed because the engine is close to the firewall where an impreza is not. What's that got to do with space for a turbo?

My brain must work differently when it comes to shit like this.

[farmsci]

subaru HERE market AWD as a safety device but I can't imagine an RWD sporty car cannot also be a part of their scheme

Yeah RWD and sporty are fine, but the Impreza STi always has and will be the halo car, and even though Aus is the only dedicated AWD market at the moment doesn't mean AWD isn't of huge importance to their marketing worldwide. They will still want the halo car to be AWD to showcase the core technologies that gave them their name.

[TonyJZX]

In a knock down drag out Tsukuba race the STI would whip the BRZ so conclusively... it'd be embarrassing

but different class and such

btw, http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/

details out