Mining companies pushing for improved ute safety

[JZK25]

What fantasy land is it you live in? Where can I buy a ticket? I've hit 3 roos in my hilux, I can't even begin to think what sort of damage would have happened without a bullbar.

They may cause damage to wildlife, maybe thats the point you're trying to make? If not, get your hand off it. I'd say most bullbars are thoroughly tested and certified, everything with a TJM/ARB/Ironman stamp on it certainly is.

Were they wallabies?

[Nathan Tinkler]

What fantasy land is it you live in? Where can I buy a ticket? I've hit 3 roos in my hilux, I can't even begin to think what sort of damage would have happened without a bullbar.

They may cause damage to wildlife, maybe thats the point you're trying to make? If not, get your hand off it. I'd say most bullbars are thoroughly tested and certified, everything with a TJM/ARB/Ironman stamp on it certainly is.

Ancap covers vehicle damage now? I thought it was occupant safety.

[Nathan Tinkler]

I am going to take the word of the people who run the tests over you btw.

http://www.ancap.com.au/faqs

Does the fitment of bullbars (manufacturer endorsed or otherwise) to a vehicle effect its ANCAP safety rating?ANCAP does not test vehicles with bullbars fitted but it is expected that a bullbar would affect the performance in the ANCAP frontal offset test. In most cases they would be adverse effects because, with modern vehicles, the front crumple zone is usually an optimum design for this severity of crash and a bullbar would change the crumple characteristics away from this optimum.

The fitment of bullbars also provides the possibility of additional risk of injury to pedestrians. From 2012, the ANCAP Road Map sets out minimum requirements for pedestrian protection in order for a vehicle to receive an overall rating of 5 stars ("high seat" vehicles do not have to meet this until 2014). Extra pedestrian protection tests would need to be conducted to show that these minimum requirements are met with a bullbar fitted.

[gat5rodeo]

Santos are reportedly bringing this in as well. My mob is having to pension off some hiluxs and patrols because they don't have stability control, side airbags etc etc

It's good in theory, costs a fucking fortune for all the smaller companies that contract to the bigger guys

I can't wait to see how the new amaroks hold up to site use, because I wouldn't mind buying one in the next few years

[fat910]

I bet continually maintaining Amarok's will be cheaper in the long run, especially underground vehicles....

[JohnMcSandyVag]

Were they wallabies?

Note the part where I said "roos"

Bullbars are a joke.

They cause as much damage as they prevent.

And exactly how many extra points do you get in ANCAP for having an untested and uncertified bullbar out the front?

Ancap covers vehicle damage now? I thought it was occupant safety.

Ancap has nothing to do with you making the moronic statement "bullbars are a joke, they cause as much damage as they cause". If this was the case my wife and I would both be laying by the side of the road with broken spines after colliding with said kangaroos.

Yes they probably do effect the crumple zones in a front impact with something solid, vs wildlife they are a however a life saver. If you don't believe in bullbars you clearly haven't traveled our outback much and I feel really sorry for you Our trips would have been cut very short if not for the bullbar, I have no doubt about that.

[elfturbomax]

I am going to take the word of the people who run the tests over you btw.

Does the fitment of bullbars (manufacturer endorsed or otherwise) to a vehicle effect its ANCAP safety rating?ANCAP does not test vehicles with bullbars fitted but it is expected that a bullbar would affect the performance in the ANCAP frontal offset test. In most cases they would be adverse effects because, with modern vehicles, the front crumple zone is usually an optimum design for this severity of crash and a bullbar would change the crumple characteristics away from this optimum.

The fitment of bullbars also provides the possibility of additional risk of injury to pedestrians. From 2012, the ANCAP Road Map sets out minimum requirements for pedestrian protection in order for a vehicle to receive an overall rating of 5 stars ("high seat" vehicles do not have to meet this until 2014). Extra pedestrian protection tests would need to be conducted to show that these minimum requirements are met with a bullbar fitted.

http://www.ancap.com.au/faqs

It seems they have not done any detailed analysis but rather are speculating saying the crumple zone is optimum design. Optimum design for the test perhaps. If animals are shaped like the block in the offset test and the relative velocity is the same as the test then life will be sweet and everyone can feel safe.

[JZK25]

Note the part where I said "roos"





Ancap has nothing to do with you making the moronic statement "bullbars are a joke, they cause as much damage as they cause". If this was the case my wife and I would both be laying by the side of the road with broken spines after colliding with said kangaroos.

Yes they probably do effect the crumple zones in a front impact with something solid, vs wildlife they are a however a life saver. If you don't believe in bullbars you clearly haven't traveled our outback much and I feel really sorry for you Our trips would have been cut very short if not for the bullbar, I have no doubt about that.

Why would a bullbar bolted to the front of your car prevent you from having a broken spine? Were you in a Series 2 Landrover?

[Euroboost]

Most of the big name bullbars ARE tested and certified airbag compatible. Some however aren't, my sister,nopics, found this out with her Xtrail. The installer refused to touch any bar that wasn't airbag certified, which there were a couple. I'm talking proper bullbars, not ebay nudge bars.
As for mines needing 5star rated vehicles, that's going to be norm in alot of industries soon, along with ULEV/ZEV emmision ratings. Look at London.

[smellytofu]

I'm guessing we'll see some more superfluous electronic safety programs to get the points tally over the 5 star mark.

No, rear seatbelt reminder warning buzzers. That's the biggest freebie point manufacturers can pick up easily. As is sticking sponge under the steering column which Subaru are well known to do in borderline cases.

[Uncle Arthur]

The only vehicle occupant advantage a bullbar may have in a collision with a roo or similar is if it prevents the animal from coming over the bonnet and into the windscreen. Which is possible if the bullbar catches the animal but not all that likely.

A bullbar will certainly protect the vehicle most times but, because of it's rigid design, will likely cause more shock to be transmitted to vehicle occupants, not less. But in reality the only likely injury to vehicle occupants is from an animal coming through the windscreen.

[samdumbert]

I bet continually maintaining Amarok's will be cheaper in the long run, especially underground vehicles....

italics?

[Nathan Tinkler]

Note the part where I said "roos"

Ancap has nothing to do with you making the moronic statement "bullbars are a joke, they cause as much damage as they cause". If this was the case my wife and I would both be laying by the side of the road with broken spines after colliding with said kangaroos.

Yes they probably do effect the crumple zones in a front impact with something solid, vs wildlife they are a however a life saver. If you don't believe in bullbars you clearly haven't traveled our outback much and I feel really sorry for you Our trips would have been cut very short if not for the bullbar, I have no doubt about that.

Dig up stupid.

[PLAYA]

LOL where I work they just bought Chinese trucks and great walls because they bin them in 2 years.

[Kyle]

Connie at work got a new great wall, its suspension literally fell to pieces after 3 months on site.. worst piece if this ever

[sean]

The only vehicle occupant advantage a bullbar may have in a collision with a roo or similar is if it prevents the animal from coming over the bonnet and into the windscreen. Which is possible if the bullbar catches the animal but not all that likely.

A bullbar will certainly protect the vehicle most times but, because of it's rigid design, will likely cause more shock to be transmitted to vehicle occupants, not less. But in reality the only likely injury to vehicle occupants is from an animal coming through the windscreen.

Don't forget the bit where your vehicle still works after the accident. A dead vehicle can slowly and painfully lead to dead occupants in the absolute middle of no-where

It's all good saying that utes and things need to be 5-star rated, mine utes do get swapped out every few years and for the purposes of using it as a ute there isn't that much difference between a ford a nissan a toyota and a VW. They all have seats and use diesel.

If however you are a contractor on site with very specifically modified light vehicles to do a very specific job and are expected to have a much longer life expectancy this is going to be a right pain in the ass. Especially since there are no 5 star rated vehicles suitable to the task

[ova400]

Yeah have been a lot of new rangers through work for BMA up here, no more bull-bars and spotlights, I haven't really looked if they have the ROPS

I don't see how their cars having a 5 star ANCAP rating is going to help, they lift most of them and fit pretty average mud tyres which lead to them rolling around lie shit heaps

[dlux]

Toyota gives no fuck for mining companies, in reality Australia is about 2 percent of total hilux/landcruiser sales and of that mining companies are about 10 percent of sales.
A lot of mining companies think they are way more important than they really are.

When you buy as many vehicles as the UN and you say you are going to stop buying utes, then toyota will listen.
Untill then they are just pissing into the wind.

[Fondles]

Toyota gives no fuck for mining companies, in reality Australia is about 2 percent of total hilux/landcruiser sales and of that mining companies are about 10 percent of sales.
A lot of mining companies think they are way more important than they really are.

When you buy as many vehicles as the UN and you say you are going to stop buying utes, then toyota will listen.
Untill then they are just pissing into the wind.

You sure about that, Last year Toyota sold over 200,000 vehicles into the mining industry, I reckon they give many fucks.

[smellytofu]

You sure about that, Last year Toyota sold over 200,000 vehicles into the mining industry, I reckon they give many fucks.

+1. Think they give more than many think.

[burn4005]

I look forward to a Caterpillar 797 speed-bump occupant safety test being incorporated into the ANCAP rating system.

[rj_astra]

I don't see how their cars having a 5 star ANCAP rating is going to help, they lift most of them and fit pretty average mud tyres which lead to them rolling around lie shit heaps

That's what the ESP is for.

[Asteroid]

Don't forget the bit where your vehicle still works after the accident. A dead vehicle can slowly and painfully lead to dead occupants in the absolute middle of no-where

This is kind of important in much of this country. I can see bullbars and spotties remaining/ reappearing fairly soon.

[MRMOPARMAN]

That's what the ESP is for.

Some esp systems have a shitfit if you lift them and put big muddies and shit on them

[monk_13]

I'm looking forward to Rangers becoming the norm for 2 reasons.

Free filters n shit and also laughs when all the dodgy old school LV mechs plug spotties and various other electics into spots they are not meant to and start frying the electrical system.

[irsa76]

That's what the ESP is for.

Some esp systems have a shitfit if you lift them and put big muddies and shit on them

ESP is calibrated for a specific tyre/suspension combination. Change the combination beyond a certain amount and ESP actually becomes a liability. That's why FPV took so long to introduce ESP on a couple of models after Ford had it on regular Falcons.

[irsa76]

I'm looking forward to Rangers becoming the norm for 2 reasons.

Free filters n shit and also laughs when all the dodgy old school LV mechs plug spotties and various other electics into spots they are not meant to and start frying the electrical system.

Not hard to fix the electrical issue, they just run a separate fuse box not connected to CAN-BUS, can also set up a programmable module to control additional equipment.
Mercedes does it on their vans, either as standard or as an option.

[dlux]

I think you over estimate the smarts of some of the LV fitters, why run a wire back to the dedicated fuse panel when you can just hook it into these twisted wires here.Its ok one of them is red so it should have power

[irsa76]

Yeah, considering how much I've cost "professional auto electricians" after finding and fixing their fuck ups under warranty I should know better. FFS I'm a colour blind mechanic and I can still do better work then some of these idiots.
By cost I mean the dealer has sent the bill to the dickhead who originally did the work. Many laughs over that one, in one case the prick still has a grudge against me.

[St00ge]

+1. Think they give more than many think.

Yup I reckon Stanley Perron gives many fucks...