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    Charade V6 budget hillclimber

    I have been wanting to build a charade based hillclimb / sprint car for a while and get involved in the sprint event series in WA. I like doing things the hard way so rather than stick with anything too conventional the cars going to be mid engine rear wheel drive using the drivetrain from a camry. Nopics isn't excited so budget will be around $5k. It'll be a bit of an odd car so it looks like I'll be in the outright class with all the serious people, so I expect I'll be consistently last.

    So ive got a 97 charade with a siezed engine and have just bought a 01 camry v6 manual wreck as the donor. The plan is as follows:
    - Gut the charade and find some race seats.
    - Install the complete engine, gearbox, driveshafts, hubs, brakes and front suspension from the camry (if the width between the strut towers isn't too big)
    - Stock engine running the standard ECU with the power steer pump and A/C compressor removed.
    - Radiator, battery and fuel cell mounted at the front of the car.
    - Full cage picking up the engine and suspension mounts
    - Front hubs converted to camry stud pattern and track increased to match the rear maybe using another set of camry front hubs
    - DIY coilovers probably using koni single adjustable universal inserts
    - Upgraded front brakes of some description

    I've got a decent workshop so the plan is to do all myself using standard parts from the donor cars where possible.

    I'd like to be ready for the 2013 season but more likely it'll be the following year.

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    Intersting choice of car motor combo, It should go like stink, Keeping the front wheels on the ground may be an issue.
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    I find such wierdness highly entertaining and will be following your progress with interest.

    Good luck with it!

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    The engine conversion should be pretty straightforward and manual or tricked auto would be good.
    Probably doesn't matter a great deal, but are there lower final drive ratios available?

    The other thing, left field to most, would be to convert the car to a double wishbone set up front and rear so it has a chance of handling.
    This doesn't have to be too difficult. The lower arms can probably be retained with top links from something adapted to the struts with the original towers taking the loads.

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    Personally I'd sling the driveline in the back ala Renault Clio V6. Would make it alot better allround as in theory your current idea will result in bulk understeer.

    Actually, on that note. Just how much leeway is there in the rules for this sort of conversion? G100 Charades with dead engines seem fairly common around me, sticking something tasty in the back for some mid engine silliness to run at the fairbairn hill climb/any where else stupid enough to let me near seems fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irsa76 View Post
    Personally I'd sling the driveline in the back ala Renault Clio V6. Would make it alot better allround as in theory your current idea will result in bulk understeer.
    Handling of a renault clio v6 would be interesting too!

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    True, but I'd hazard a guess it would be better as a hill climber then it would be as a FWD.

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    my gathering of the OP was that he's putting it in the middle/back....
    pretty sure the motor would never fit in the G200 engine bay

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    This sounds like a cool project, would make a decent hill climb car I would say.

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    Couldn't help but think a v6 conversion in an AW11 would be just as cheap, easier, road registerable, etc. Wouldn't be as 'one of a kind' though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momus View Post
    The other thing, left field to most, would be to convert the car to a double wishbone set up front and rear so it has a chance of handling.
    This doesn't have to be too difficult. The lower arms can probably be retained with top links from something adapted to the struts with the original towers taking the loads.
    I was thinking about this for the front as it also makes increasing the track easy without having to do the dodge with spacers. I have been trying to keep it simple but the suspension is one area I should probably make the effort on, and it will be easiest to incorporate at the beginning while I'm designing the cage. Better find my info on suspension geometry.

    Any suggested supplier for sperical rod ends?

    Quote Originally Posted by crack View Post
    Couldn't help but think a v6 conversion in an AW11 would be just as cheap, easier, road registerable, etc. Wouldn't be as 'one of a kind' though.
    This would definitely be the easiest option, most of the info on these engines seems to be from people who have stuck them in an MR2. The gearbox in the camry is even the same model as in the turbo MR2 just with different linkages and no LSD i believe. Still it doesn't seem to be as much fun... if V8 supercars has taught me anything its that the sheetmetal and badge is the most important part of a race car.

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    Rwd has been done before lol.



    Ok so by now you've noticed that there's a big motor in the back. It's a 3VZ-FE - which is a toyota 3.0L V6 from your everyday camry - not a bad motor in my option - pity they trapped them in nasty camry's. So it all started when I really really wanted an MR2 right, and I couldn't afford it, so I decided to build my own, and while I was at it, I figured a power upgrade to a 3.0L V6 with some superchargeness was the only reasonable thing to do. Dat was like 7 months ago - and now it's finished and I drive it to work everyday - pretty fun to flog lads at the lights in they're $60,000 kick ass cars in you little shitta charade and confuse people at the servo when ya fill it up under the bonnet. (Fuel tank under bonnet). With the blower OFF, it'll easy flog your standard SS or decent skyline / silvia. The blower is a rare mazda blower off a diesel truck - has integraded plumb back blow off and electric clutch so can be turned on & off. Sorta like a little go kart - it's pretty rugged and is a bit hot & noisy in the cab with a screamin motor behind ya head, but it does have a cover & stuff and it's not that bad - more importantly, it's a rear wheel drive charade with bout 8 times more power than it came out of the factory with - who doesn't want one of them. Lol. Anyways, so now i'm ready to sell it coz i've actually managed to get myself a real MR2 - i sorta like this better coz it's heaps faster and sorta funny to see peoples reactions - but I can't really justify 2 toys - and i had my fun wit the charade. By the way. if ya try hard enough, it will pick the front wheels up - ya wanna be able to steer if ya gonna try that but. I was surprised at how it behaved under drift, I thought it'd be really snap oversteery, but it actually ended up pretty predictable, sorta like a go kart, ya just hang it out then steer it with the throttle. Anyway, plenty of fun if ya keen enough to drive it on the road (like me) or a very cheap entry level machine for drag, drift, hillclimb etc. It's pretty friggin quick, as you can imagine - 350ish hp in 800 kg. Plus i ran a modified auto so it full hooks up properly and ya not chirpin wheels etc. and loosing times on gear change

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    Could he have put the pod filter in a worse spot?
    I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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    I can't believe someone who talks like that can do such a conversion, but it's pretty damn cool.

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    Summit online are as convenient as anyone for rod ends.

    For a simple wishbone layout and geometry have a look at MX5's or C5 Corvette for ideas.

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    Been a bit busy with other stuff but have managed to sneek out after the kids were in bed a few nights and make a start.

    Have pulled the engine from the camry and started to strip the back of charade. Now the engine is out it looks fucking enormous. Bit worried about clearance on the right hand side of the engine where the pulleys are.... that might limit any options for suspension changes at the back. Maybe when the A/C compressor, power steering pump and steering rack disappear it won't look so bad.

    Anyway have started to take some measurements and will throw it all into autocad and see what the options are.


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    It'll look a lot smaller once all the superfluous shit is stripped off. They fit north/south in early Toyota's easy enough but still not a compact engine.
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    THe post that follows will be a thought provoking and deeply philosophical essay which will quite possibly alter your outlooks on life
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    Japanese performance cars are like japanese schoolgirls. By the time they are 15 years old they've all been molested so your only option is to choose one where the previous owner had similar perversions to yourself.

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    No need for all that Autocad malarkey
    Tape measure and gas axe is all that's required
    Get to it
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorpat View Post
    Japanese performance cars are like japanese schoolgirls. By the time they are 15 years old they've all been molested so your only option is to choose one where the previous owner had similar perversions to yourself.

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    I like and endorse this project. PLEASE FINISH IT.
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    I've been plugging away at this in the evenings and have finally got the engine tacked into place. Fits like a tongue in a bum...
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    Also picked up some seats and harnesses for a couple of hundred.. pretty terrible but will do for a start I reckon
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    Next I want to make a start on the cage but need to get my lathe set up so i can make up a 50mm die for my bender.

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    It's a shame you can't register something like this (assuming you do it properly of course)
    I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahabthearab View Post
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    I've been plugging away at this in the evenings and have finally got the engine tacked into place. Fits like a tongue in a bum...


    Looking good.

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    If you did the required torsional and rigidity testing you might be able to pull it off. there is nothing that says you can't change the drive from one end to the other.

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    Should leave the power steering rack in it for lols so it turns like a forklift.

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    how does the engine come out now?
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    To get the engine out i unbolt the subframe and strut tops, lift the shell up and roll the lot out. This will be how most major work on the engine will have to happen i think. Going to try and make it as easy as possible to disconnect stuff to do this.

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    Awesome project, if youre planning on running in some of the local sprint events you might come up against a little green suzuki hatch with a bike engine (i think?) in teh back

    sounds incredible and is pretty quick

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