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    PIARC are running there today.

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    Philip Island something something soemthing

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCR View Post
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    Dunno who they are?

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    You obviously gave more of a fuck than..........................well anyone else actually.

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    Where that escort was parked would probably be considered a safe position in dry conditions covered by yellow flags to leave a car for the remainder of a session, definatley not a safe place to leave a car in a wet session not covered by flags. In any case leaving it there after the conclusion of one session and then starting the next one is just plain negligent.

    HANS devices are well worth the money. I recall bulk bitchining and moaning when they became madatory in national level competition. Most of it was about restricting head movment, from the same guys that already had seats with massive wings around the helmet area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gussy View Post
    Here's the video. Nasty shunt.
    Damn!

    Those last few seconds would've made the mind tick over at a furious rate just watching that parked car coming closer and knowing your going to hit it. Glad to hear the drivers are ok (relatively speaking), that guy in the Escort was so lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenno View Post
    Where that escort was parked would probably be considered a safe position in dry conditions covered by yellow flags to leave a car for the remainder of a session, definatley not a safe place to leave a car in a wet session not covered by flags. In any case leaving it there after the conclusion of one session and then starting the next one is just plain negligent.
    I disagree, imo where that Escort was parked would be dangerous in dry conditions also.

    And was it left there between sessions? Seems a bit strange that the driver would sit there in the car from the session he went off, through a break, into the next session?

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    No the escort wasn't left between sessions. It was an IPRA car which pulled over on the out lap. Should have been moved and the session restarted.

    It made me wear a HANS device on Sunday and buy my own now. For the cost anyone with a race car should be getting one if they don't already have one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane001 View Post
    I disagree, imo where that Escort was parked would be dangerous in dry conditions also.
    I don't think so. Even at over 200kph, that's barely a corner in the dry. Just 0.6G. And that's using a tight exit line to shorten the track and setup for the next right hander. Less than half the max G they can pull on A050s, so plenty of margin for error there. In the dry, you're highly unlikely to go off in the kink. It looked like a qualifying session? so in the dry that would be ok IMO - if it were a race I wouldn't like to see a car left there as it is an overtaking opportunity... But you would hope it would be yellow flagged in a race. In Qualifying, it would be dumb to run the session with a yellow out - go as fast as you can while taking it easy through this section please...

    In the wet, its definitely not a great idea even in a qualifying session. The track has precious little run-off area anyway - the last thing you need is a an extra stationary obstacle in the little room you have. Without the parked car, in all likelihood that's just a glancing blow off the concrete wall and a trip into the loose tyre bundles further along, maybe ending up in the gravel trap on the other side of the Carrousel.

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    It doesn't matter how many disclaimers YOU sign, that doesn't stop your nopics' lawyer from trying to sue everyone involved if you kill yourself.
    Unfortunate, but true.
    If you run under CAMS or AASA, they set the safety requirements for the type of event and underwrite the risks on that basis. Your club is not exposed unless you don't enforce those standards, or stipulate your own requirements, or have your own insurance outside of those normal channels. Event organisers should know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrd View Post
    you're highly unlikely to go off in the kink.
    Unlikely, but not highly. The fact is plenty of cars have gone off at the kink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hrd View Post
    I don't think so. Even at over 200kph, that's barely a corner in the dry. Just 0.6G. And that's using a tight exit line to shorten the track and setup for the next right hander. Less than half the max G they can pull on A050s, so plenty of margin for error there. In the dry, you're highly unlikely to go off in the kink. It looked like a qualifying session? so in the dry that would be ok IMO - if it were a race I wouldn't like to see a car left there as it is an overtaking opportunity... But you would hope it would be yellow flagged in a race. In Qualifying, it would be dumb to run the session with a yellow out - go as fast as you can while taking it easy through this section please...

    In the wet, its definitely not a great idea even in a qualifying session. The track has precious little run-off area anyway - the last thing you need is a an extra stationary obstacle in the little room you have. Without the parked car, in all likelihood that's just a glancing blow off the concrete wall and a trip into the loose tyre bundles further along, maybe ending up in the gravel trap on the other side of the Carrousel.


    If you run under CAMS or AASA, they set the safety requirements for the type of event and underwrite the risks on that basis. Your club is not exposed unless you don't enforce those standards, or stipulate your own requirements, or have your own insurance outside of those normal channels. Event organisers should know this.
    I have been off at the kink in the dry. Not a pleasant experience and I ended up in the kitty litter at the carousel.

    Also welcome back. I think that being banned for having a different opinion is crap.

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    I've had to take to the dirt at the kink when someone chopped across the nose of the car I was driving. Not something I want to do again in a hurry. Nev was lucky the car didn't dig and and roll over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ova400 View Post
    No the escort wasn't left between sessions. It was an IPRA car which pulled over on the out lap. Should have been moved and the session restarted.
    Glad to hear those involved are on the mend and that sales of HANS devices are on the increase.

    Given there were no/limited flaggies on the day, has anyone considered the implications that the position of the Escort may not have been visible from the tower?

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    In the drivers briefing I'm sure they said the marshalling points still had a person at them but they wouldn't use flags therefore the control tower should have known. It will be interesting to see if anything comes from it all

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    DCR, I found Nev's in-car video of that incident here:


    He says it was 214kph. I still say that's a fucking strange off. Nothing nasty seemed to happen during the corner, and he didn't slide off the track as the other video suggested - seemed to just drive off with very little steering lock on??? it's weird.

    My old 180SX wasn't that fast, but an example lap - through the kink at 206kph flat out was just 0.64G. Max G at for that same lap was 1.21G onto the front straight. The only other corners under 1G were the non-event left hander between carousell and the bridge which was also 0.6G and the Eastern Loop at 0.96G - all according to the GPS data. 8kph is a significant difference in corner speed and I have NFI what G that would equate to there, but I still say that's a fucking strange way to go off.
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    In the other vid it looked as if he hit some standing water. Bit of a puff before it stepped sideways and onto the grass.
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    HRD, I agree that it's unlikely that another car would go off and hit another car already parked there in the dry.

    But the golden rule applies, if one car can end up there, another can as well. Maybe not a lose on the actual corner, maybe a failure at corner entry just after pit exit, maybe dropping a wheel off at corner entry, etc, etc.

    A loose car parked on the side of the circuit is dangerous no matter where it is imo. I agree though in not all circumstances would you stop the race to remove it. It's a matter of applying risk management to the specific situation at hand. And being human, expect sometimes those making the decision will get it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrd View Post
    DCR, I found Nev's in-car video of that incident here:


    He says it was 214kph. I still say that's a fucking strange off. Nothing nasty seemed to happen during the corner, and he didn't slide off the track as the other video suggested - seemed to just drive off with very little steering lock on??? it's weird.
    Kinda looks like he might get a bit loose over the bumps/corrugations that are on the inside of the corner, which spits him a bit wide on exit? Would have been an interesting ride...

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    The WRX was very lucky not to roll.

    Never been to Lakeside but I do remember reading it had the highest average speed of all tracks in Australia.

    Cant find it but I remember a shot from the 2L days with the BMW's & Audi 3 wide in the kink

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    The only way to go throught the kink.....


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    From the in car it looks as though the car just understeers off the track, as WRXs have a tendancy to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCR View Post
    From the in car it looks as though the car just understeers off the track, as WRXs have a tendancy to do.
    Exactly my thoughts.
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    yup just a hint of sudden understeer right in the middle of the corner forced him wide on the exit. ive never driven around lakeside but it looks as though he turned into the corner a fraction too early and probably overworked the wheel a touch.

    that kink makes Mallala's kink seem like a cakewalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCR View Post
    From the in car it looks as though the car just understeers off the track, as WRXs have a tendancy to do.
    That's a weird one. No massive steering input. Just going too fast for the corner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by choppo View Post
    That's a weird one. No massive steering input. Just going too fast for the corner?
    Doesn't take a lot of steering input to get through the kink, but at that speed it doesn't take much to end up a couple of metres offline either. He may have just turned in a little early or misjudged the line slightly. He did the right thing in not winding more lock on once he realized he was heading for the dirt or the car would have spun a lot sooner and probably ended up in the tyre wall.
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    Wonder if 'the car goes where you look' phenmenon had anything to do with the Prius crash?

    The Lakeside Kink has to be got right and then it's a breeze but at 200kph it's not a given that everyone is always going to get it right. So, it keeps you awake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Arthur View Post
    Wonder if 'the car goes where you look' phenmenon had anything to do with the Prius crash?

    The Lakeside Kink has to be got right and then it's a breeze but at 200kph it's not a given that everyone is always going to get it right. So, it keeps you awake
    Interesting point .... could be thought about.
    I thought he might have lifted off the throttle as the tail stepped out - kiss of death with a FWD, they often end up in tank-slappers - but it doesn't seem that he did. And it's as unpleasant to watch as I thought it'd be.
    FWIW he's up and about now though in a partial body cast and crutches.

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