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    Porsche 996 cup car

    I purchased this 2003 996 cup in April 2018 after a bit of a search. I sold my 996 GT3 road car in 2017 after the rise in value made it uncomfortable to be throwing it about on track with concrete close by. Next, I decided to try a dual purpose daily/track car with a Mustang GT. Half way through that build I lost confidence when a wheel hub began to come loose after 4000kms (nothing to do with mods). Fordís response was to deny warranty due to modifications which consisted only of a factory ford track suspension and some camber plates. When tracking that car in the 2017 Adelaide Motorsport Festival, I had my arse handed to me by a bunch of Porsche Motorsport cars. I concluded that a dual duty car was too much of a compromise and so it was finally time to scratch the itch for a real race car.

    I specifically wanted a 996 cup, which made the search difficult as they are a lot thinner on the ground than 997 (approx 700 996 built vs 2500+ 997). The 996 comes with factory ABS and h-pattern gearbox, both of which were essential to me. The 997 hollinger maintenance scares me a bit and aftermarket ABS is about 20 grand, not something Iíd be keen to peruse. All in all, the 996 cup is remarkably similar to the road going version, just more hardcore in every area. This appealed to me as I was already very familiar with the 996 platform. The biggest difference by far between the two cars is the slicks.

    I wanted something with a bit of race history and ended up with the car you see below. It was part of a three car Greg Murphy Racing outfit, a team that took the Carrera Cup title in 2004 (Alex Davidson) and 2005 (Fabian Coulthard) with their colourful Glensfords Tool Centre sponsorship. My car was the sister car, driven by a young Ian Dyk in 2005 who claimed a few podiums that year. Dyk later went on to represent Australia in the now defunct A1GP. Ian is a nice bloke, I was able to make contact with him on Instagram to help me fill in some blanks on the history and he was very obliging.

    Hereís the car fresh off the plane from Germany in early 2003 prior to prep for the inaugural season of Carrera Cup Australia.


    This is how the car looked in 2003/2004 driven by orthopedic surgeon Roger Oakeshott. Some might remember this livery from back in the day.



    And in 2005 with the Glenfords livery...



    After the completion of the 2005 Carrera Cup season, all of the 996s were sold off by the pro teams in anticipation of the 2006 season in which the new 997 cup would make its Australian debut. At this time, Greg Murphy Racing made a deal to sell this particular car to a Dentist from Melbourne who was a Porsche enthusiast and was into racing. The Dentist raced the car from 2006-2009 as an ďarrive and driveĒ utilising the services of a local Porsche shop. The car was entered into various categories and events, including the Victorian State Champs, Island Magic, Aus GT (F1 round) and finally in 2009, the Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge support category for that yearís Bathurst 12 hour. I say finally, because during one of the races in that round, The Dentist sustained incidental contact in the rear from another car whilst going quite fast across the top of the mountain, resulting in a near head on smack into the concrete barrier. The front end of the car was heavily damaged, along broken left hand front and rear suspension and rear 1/4 panel.

    Bathurst 2009


    After the crash, the car sat in the corner of a workshop for 2 years, probably while The Dentist procrastinated about what he would do with it. After some deliberation he decided to repair it, and so an entire new front tub, all new front body panels from the windscreen forward and left rear 1/4 panel were fitted, along with the necessary repairs to the suspension. At this point the car underwent a full respray in its ďGlenfords BlueĒ. A rumored 80K was spent. The repair job is evidently very high quality. At some point during the repair process, The Dentist decided racing was behind him and that it was time to sell.

    By this time, 9 years had passed since the accident and in March 2018, I saw the car on my105. I made a phone call and arranged to have a local friend view the car. They were offering the opportunity test the car as it had not been driven in almost a decade and had since undergone a fairly significant rebuild. It needed a shakedown and the owner was not interested in driving the car anymore. After the PPI checked out, a sale price was agreed on and deposit paid subject to the car testing well. I flew to Melbourne with the plan to test the car. The day before I was due to leave, I got a call from the workshop explaining that they had discovered oil
    in the coolant, with a suspected failed heat exhanger. Apparently a common issue with old cup cars that sit around, where the internal wall of the heat exchanger fails due to corrosion, allowing oil
    and coolant to mix. Because of the exhangerís location on top of the motor at the back of the bay, itís an engine out job. $1200 part. Phew, glad it happened before I had handed any more money over. Since I couldnít get a refund on my flight, I decided to go and see the car anyway. I was greeted with a dusty car that someone had given a fugly headlight treatment, but couldnít wait to be able to drive it.



    Fast forward one month, a new heat exhanger had arrived from Germany and was fitted. The car was ready to go. Off I go back to Melbourne to test the car at Winton with the support of The Dentistís race shop. Foreign track, first time driving a cup car, someone elseís I might add...slightly intimidating!

    Out I go for my first ever lap in the car, and it would not seem to go above 40 km/h. The ignition kept cutting out. My first thought was WTF! Half way through the painfully slow lap, it occurred to me that the pit speed limiter was on and I had no fucking idea how to turn it off. The side mirrors were also not adjusted properly and anyone who has ever driven a cup car would know that you canít see a thing out of them at the best of times due to the halo seat and shitty side mirrors. The remainder of the roughly 5 minute lap was spent with me shitting myself while trying to stay out of the way of the other cars zooming past as I limped back to the pits. Ego deflated.




    Second session, mirrors adjusted, pit limiter button identified (itís the cruise control button, in case you were wondering) and turned OFF. Away we go. A few laps in, loving it. Slicks are awesome, the sounds are awesome. Helmet bouncing against roll cage, bumpy, shifting gears with my right hand. AWESOME! Then I realise I can smell coolant. Then I see the temp needle go all the way to the end and red light come on so I shut it off immediately and get a tow in. Turns out a coolant hose had popped off, probably because it had been contaminated with oil from the previous heat exhanger failure. The cooling system had been flushed prior to the test day, but with 23L of coolant and a multitude of coolant piping and hoses on these cars, itís dificult to eliminate ALL of the risidual oil from the system. Fortunately the hose that went was only a small one. The next 40 minutes were nervous ones for me, as I was wondering whether or not we had just killed the engine in a car that I did not yet own. It was getting late and I had to be leaving for my flight soon but we decided it would be a good idea to run one more time to make sure everything was OK. The hose was buttoned up, 23L of Wintonís best toilet block water was added, and out I went...



    Very much just putting around, trying to stay away from MX-5s who want to block the line, but the car ran fine. Very relieved! Next step, after catching my plane, was to get the car back to Adelaide.
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    Once sorted from sitting it should be a very quick and reliable toy.

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    Awesome write up and congrats.

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    At the time of buying the car, I was still waiting for my trailer to be built. The shop owner in Melboure was keen to get the cup car out of the way given heíd been stuck with it for the best part of a decade and so he offered to deliver the car to Adelaide in the race transporter, for a fee of course. With our 2nd child arriving a few weeks earlier, I didnít want to push my luck with a third trip to Melbourne so I accepted his offer. Commercial car carriers were not an option given the ride height and difficulty operating the clutch. It was nice to finally have the car in my possession after a 2 month process.




    The plan was to race the car for the first time two months later at The Bend in the SA state series. Given Iíd not been to the newly opened circuit, I booked into a private track day to try and learn the course. In the lead up to the day, I had a couple of weeks so I used to the time to check over the car and get to cleaning decades of shit that had accumulated in the interior, as well as tidying up some of the exterior.

    The first task was to fix the badger treatment on the headlights. I donít mind the 996 headlights but people trying to cover them up to look 997 is a pet peeve. After masking the lights off, I wet sanded off the black paint, roughed up the entire lens and hit them with a clear coat. The end result was much improved in my eyes.






    The lexan was quite marred and had obviously been removed and re-installed during the repair process. An adhesive is used in areas and when you remove the lexan, you can see where the adhesive was as the black painted window border is pulled off with the glue. This looked messy so I decided to try and fix it. I planned on getting some new lexan eventually but in the meantime, rather than removing the lexan and repainting the border black (on the inside), I used some black plastidip I had lying around to cover the border on the outside, thus hiding the adhesive marks.



    And after polishing the lexan a few times with a hand-drill powered wheel and some compound, you could actually see in and out of the windows again.



    I decided to polish the entire exterior too as whilst the paint was new, the car had been moved around the workshop for a couple of years so it had picked up some marring. At this point you might be wondering why bother with a race car...to me, a car like this is not just about going as quick as possible round the track. Iím a bit weird like that.

    Some of the little clues you find along the way as to who had the car in the past...



    Also with the car, I received the original Porsche car cover with the Carrera Cup logo and itís first race number printed on it. I thought that was pretty cool. It cleaned up nicely in the washing machine.



    After I was done geeking out with the car for a couple of weeks, it went to Buik Motorworks for set up and a check over in prep for The Bend track day. Cornerweighting and alignment was carried out. Somewhere in the range of 5.2 degrees of negative camber in the front and 4 in the rear.

    The Bend. This was a private day with six 30 minute sessions. I was keen to learn the car and the track and just get some laps under my belt.




    On my first hot lap of The Bend, I start to smell coolant and see the light come on. I immediately pull into the pits. Another coolant hose had failed. This time one of the main hoses. They are a funny design with a large o ring that fits into a cast alluminium fitting, and the o ring had failed. Fortunately as the day was run by Buiks, they had their mechanics on hand who were able to fish a spare o-ring out of the truck and fit it to the car. This enabled me to run a 20 minute session without any issues. The track was amazing, certainly a bit step up from Mallala and it was obvious that I probably wasnít ready to attempt door to door racing there only a couple of weeks later.

    I went out for a third session to continue learning both the car and the track. Following Kevin Weeks in his Supaloc Gallardo race car. On the 3rd lap, coolant on the windscreen. Yet another hose failure, bringing the count to four!!



    With this hose located in the front of the car, there was no easy access so I put the car back on the trailer. Day over after only 15 interrupted laps. It was decided that the car would have every coolant hose replaced and the cooling system flushed a few more times to rid every last bit of oil. Off it went to Buikís in order to replace the 20 odd different coolant hoses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiller View Post
    I went out for a third session to continue learning both the car and the track. Following Kevin Weeks in his Supaloc Gallardo race car. On the 3rd lap, coolant on the windscreen. Yet another hose failure, bringing the count to four!!
    should have gone aircooled /i
    looks great, i also agree with the 996 being closer to road cars- much less daunting!
    how does it compare to the 996 GT3 you had, or the lotus?
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    Awesome car/writeup. Subscribed!

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    Mate, you go through more cars than most do underpants. After playing around/tracking the GT3, could always see you in a Cup car, and glad to see that you finally took the plunge. It's not surprising that it has a few niggling issues after laying dormant for so long, but will eventually be a fast and rock solid package. Good to see you fucked off the pony car.
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    Nice, interesting read. Keep us up to date.

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    Nice work mate. Good purchase.

    And seeimg as the the videos are from May, Iím guessing this little thread has some more content in the w8ngs
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    Well played,

    I reckon old cup cars are so much car for the money as a track toy. Hadnít realised those key differences between the 996 and 7. I can see the attraction of the 996. You have done well to have so much history on the car. Have been watching the 997 market for a while. I like the idea of a sequential. Buiks had what seemed to be a really nice 997.2 for sensible $$.

    Look forward to following your progress with it.

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    You finally posted it Simmo Been following on the kraut forum.

    This in 997 is also my grail. As you say - the tinkering is part of the fun of owning and running your own Cup.

    Scarcely gets more pure than a GT3 race car + H pattern.
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    Very nice mate. Iíve always thought they make a logical track car option.

    Can you give us a ball park buyin price?

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    These make so much sense. Seen them below 50k, so good value. I could never do it myself as I worry about 20k plus engines... Though I spent that much on my last engine, so I guess ignore me!

    Top work in any case!

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    Thanks guys, I figured this was a good place to keep a bit of a journal on the car and glad no one seems to be bothered by my novel length posts!

    Quote Originally Posted by clutch-monkey View Post
    should have gone aircooled /i
    looks great, i also agree with the 996 being closer to road cars- much less daunting!
    how does it compare to the 996 GT3 you had, or the lotus?
    Haha yes, bloody water pumpers . Being able to compare the cup car to my old road 996 GT3 has definitely been one of the most interesting parts of owning this car so far. Full disclosure, my road car had loads of upgrades that set it apart from a standard car (cup car final drive, basically full cup suspension, monoballs, full exhaust, tune, 997 TB etc - it was a real monster).

    Main differences:

    -The road car had way more mid range torque and I reckon more power overall than the cup car does. You really need to be up the cup car at all times to keep the momentum going. The lack of variocam means if it falls below about 5500 RPM there's not much going on. 6-8K is the sweet spot at all times.

    -Gearing is surprisingly longer on the cup than on my road car. When you add the cup final drive to the road car, you very short 1, 2, 3 gears, as a consequence the car didn't mind lighting up the rear tyre at any chance. As a result, the road car chassis always felt like it was at the limit of the power and torque on offer, whereas that is not the case with the cup car. R-compound v slicks is obviously a big part of this but so is the gearing.

    -The cup stops a lot better due to the motorsport ABS and being 200kg lighter + slicks. As a result, it leaves the road car for dead in corners.

    -Driving style between the two is different mainly due to the slip angle of the slicks compared to r-compound, and this is something im still trying to get my head around. Overall, the cup car is a lot more visceral with the stripped interior and solid mounted engine and gearbox, but as far as suspension and chassis goes, cup and road (at least my road car) are basically the same.

    The lotus was a very fun street car but didn't hold a candle to either car. It desperately needed a more aggressive suspension set up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Race Spec View Post
    Mate, you go through more cars than most do underpants. After playing around/tracking the GT3, could always see you in a Cup car, and glad to see that you finally took the plunge. It's not surprising that it has a few niggling issues after laying dormant for so long, but will eventually be a fast and rock solid package. Good to see you fucked off the pony car.
    Yes mate, I have a real problem, but trying to fix it ha! I was enjoying reading your thread the other day as I'm considering another CP9A and thought to myself, "fuck he's had this a while, why can't I be like that"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cplus View Post
    Nice work mate. Good purchase.

    And seeimg as the the videos are from May, Iím guessing this little thread has some more content in the w8ngs
    Thanks, my updates so far will run until December of last year and I'll continue getting the thread up to date when I have more time. In all honesty though, I did not drive the car a lot last year, however I'm sure I'll remember something to ramble on about in this thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by darkside View Post
    Well played,

    I reckon old cup cars are so much car for the money as a track toy. Hadnít realised those key differences between the 996 and 7. I can see the attraction of the 996. You have done well to have so much history on the car. Have been watching the 997 market for a while. I like the idea of a sequential. Buiks had what seemed to be a really nice 997.2 for sensible $$.

    Look forward to following your progress with it.
    Yep they're a good reliable car if you can find one with history. I spent hours researching where mine had been and even added up the mileage using old natsoft data. I enjoyed every bit of it though and still have a few blanks to fill in. I have the contact number for the guy who managed GMR at the time but working up the courage to call him and be that guy asking questions about shit he probably forgot years ago and doesn't care about any longer. Ideally you want one that has been constantly used so you don't have to go through the recommissioning process like I have. I haven't driven a 997 but I'm told they're like a baby 996 RSR, i.e. a full blown race car. People's opinions on what constitutes a race car are quite subjective, some say the 996 is more street car like, and it certainly shares a lot with the street car but the car is without a doubt not streetable. You'd destroy the clutch in pretty short order. So is the race car more like a road car or vice versa? Depends where you've come from I guess. 997 also has rose jointed suspension in all (or most) areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLO 767 View Post
    You finally posted it Simmo Been following on the kraut forum.

    This in 997 is also my grail. As you say - the tinkering is part of the fun of owning and running your own Cup.

    Scarcely gets more pure than a GT3 race car + H pattern.
    Gday mate, it's been a while. What is your user over there on the kraut forum ya bloody lurker! Not that I post much over there so pot calling the kettle black.
    Quote Originally Posted by womblesti View Post
    Very nice mate. Iíve always thought they make a logical track car option.

    Can you give us a ball park buyin price?
    Prices seem to vary a bit, not many 996s around and the 50K buys are probably a thing of the past now. 60-70K now, more if it's got history of recent engine work. I know of one car selling a few years ago for as low as mid 30K, it was a minter too. Very lucky buy that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 200MPH View Post
    These make so much sense. Seen them below 50k, so good value. I could never do it myself as I worry about 20k plus engines... Though I spent that much on my last engine, so I guess ignore me!

    Top work in any case!
    Not gonna lie, every time I drive it I worry about breaking something expensive. If you destroyed a motor it would probably be a walk away type affair (at least for me!). I guess the good thing about them is they *generally* don't suffer from unexpected terminal driveline issues and so the maintenance costs can be very much planned for. Famous last words. Being a old race car though, they've had a lifetime of being thrashed hard and I've found so far that there's always something the fuckn' thing needs, whether it be big or small. That's race cars for you I guess. Buiks are a great shop to work with, they know these things in and out and as a customer, from
    my experience, they are very careful with your money, which is quite refreshing. I probably worry about maintenance more than I need to. The biggest expense if you want to race them competitively is throwing tyres at them. A little over 3K per set and the fast guys buy new ones for every race meet. Not something I can afford to do and so I'm happy with sprints and track days for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiller View Post

    Gday mate, it's been a while. What is your user over there on the kraut forum ya bloody lurker! Not that I post much over there so pot calling the kettle black.

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    Man I can't even remember. B&E355 or B&E997? I just lurk too, and spotted the blue beast come up

    Good to have you back mate - very interested in your log and experiences with this bad boy - especially now that *knocks wood* the cooling system is sorted.

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    Very nice, looks like a bucket of fun.

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    Great read, thanks for sharing.

    Congrats on getting the Cup back out on track. Here's to hoping for rock solid track days once the cooling system is sorted.

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    Great writeup, thanks for sharing.

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