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    That Fiat guy bought an MX5

    As my build for the 124 seems to be escalating (http://performanceforums.com/forums/...Back-to-basics) , I've been getting itchy feet having not been to the track in a while.

    I've also been battling with the "the next stage" of the 124. While I didn't really want to race door to door in it, the next stage really involves putting a decent cage in it, and that ruins it as a cool little street car. I'd also been seriously considering decent (MCA) shocks and a adjustable roll centre watts link. So there's probably 8-10k in that for a car that would now be illegal on the street and rare enough I'd cry if I damaged it at the track. There's also the fact that an old car being constantly tracked is high in maintenance & every.fucking.thing is custom on such a build, with that comes time, money and head fucks.

    As the 124 is my forever car and with the above in mind, I decided a smart move is to keep the 124 as a streeter that only sees the track once, maybe twice per year. So I started looking at MX5s again:

    * cheap
    * reliable
    * easy on tyres and pads which are also cheap
    * you can buy anything you want for them so custom shit is not needed
    * A/C & power steer makes for a comfortable drive to and from the track
    * if I put it into the wall I'll have more chance of walking away and I wouldn't care, just go buy another, rinse & repeat

    I was really after a NB8B as I feel they represent the best bang for buck. I looked at a couple, one had a slipping clutch, the other was in Sydney and while it looked awesome it was too much of a gamble for the higher money he was asking, but came equipped with some nice bits. Then I saw a dark blue 2003 NB8B, relatively shit photos but it was close to me and I decided I should probably drive a few more so I can get more of an idea on what's out there. Sent the guy a message, he responded within 30 seconds and then left a long rambling voice mail on my phone. He sounded like an old dude that was desperate for a sale. I arranged to look at it last Monday (04/03/19) night.

    Old mate Frank's wife had written off their Accord Euro, he'd bought her a new Kia Optima but she was too scared of all the tech on it. So the poor bloke had to sell his toy to buy her a new Corolla. Frank was 77 years old and drove the MX5 twice a week. It was really mint with 150k on the clock and he was only asking $8,250. I offered him $7,500, he countered with $7,750 and I picked it up cash in hand the next night. In much better order than the others I'd seen for less money.

    So over the weekend I took the young fella on a road trip, he loves it. Went to Tenterfield via Rathdowney and Kyogle (Mt Lindsay Hwy) and Casino (Bruxner Hwy). Stayed over night there, had a cracking meal and drive home Casino to Kyogle to Murwillumbah. Flogging the ring out of it got 10.2/100 on the way down and 8.4/100 on the way back.

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    So what are the plans?

    * wheels & tyres (thinking 15x8" Advanti Storm with 205/50/15 Nankang AR1)
    * coilovers (thinking Yellowspeed jobbies from MX5 Mania)
    * cage (AGI 4 point)
    * Sparco seat & harness
    * 4.3 torsen diff
    * a smaller steering wheel
    * maybe exhaust and inlet


    I need to move the front numberplate, it currently blocks almost all airflow to the radiator. A couple of times on Saturday the coolant temp creeped up, admittedly both times it was uphill 2nd & 3rd pegged 6-7k, A/C on full blast and late 30s ambient.

    Already installed a Beavis Motorsport extinguisher mount and extinguisher. And seeking recommendations on the above wish list from those more knowledgeable.

    I'd like to be doing sprints, possibly moving into doing some endurance racing in it down the track. It will be keeping the A/C, P/S and carpet. After I can not squeeze any more time out of it N/A I'll consider adding a snail to it.
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    Something something hairdresser something homosexual.

    With that out of the way, I think these things represent excellent buying at the moment. If you want something you can take to the track and also live with on the street without spending a billionty dollary-doos, this seems like the ticket. Nice score!
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    Great choice mate for the reasons you already posted.

    15 x 8 Advanti Storms are a great choice, as are the AR1s.

    Must admit I don't know much about the Yellowspeeds, but most track guys seem to end up with either BC Racing or MCA stuff.

    AGI 4 point cage is a good choice. Another option is the MX5 Plus roll bars.

    http://static.shop033.com/resources/...20548rev01.pdf

    I've got the Sparco Sprints in my car with the Jass Performance rail adapters. Not comfortable for everyone, but feel free to drop by and check out the fitment in my car if you want.

    Put some decent pads, braided lines, and fluid in it and go and have some fun.
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    Cheers for that, definitely after pointers. There seems to be 1m different varieties of BCs, what are the best bang for buck? Same too with MCAs, would love to stump up for Reds, but it's starting to defeat the purpose of cheap & cheerful spending $3k on shocks.

    I'm looking to run Hawk HP Plus pads on the front only to begin with (had a new set of OE pads put on the rear as part of RWC) with Penrite 10/10ths fluid, cause I have shitloads of it.

    I've used a Sparco sprint in 2 of my previous cars so pretty happy with that. Do you sit much lower?
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    get braided brake lines and a master cylinder stopper while you are there.

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    I bought the master cylinder stopper but sent it back. Doesn't fit with the factory strut brace.
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    Excellent choice. Get braided lines and master cylinder stopper from Beavis. Automotive Plus cage (better than the AGI for legality as the AGI covers the seatbelts).
    Also consider Shockworks coilovers, as they come highly recommended by a few. Failing that Ohlins or even the Bilstein OEM units from the turbo models are excellent. I have Teins in mine, and they arent bad, but nothing to write home about.

    For seats the Sparco Sprint is a common unit, but i find them intensely uncomfortable. The Cobra Imola S fits well in my NA, but may foul on the door card in an NB. Apparently Sparco Grid IIs fit fairly well though.

    15x8 Advanti Storms are the normal fitment on these things and work quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Cheers for that, definitely after pointers. There seems to be 1m different varieties of BCs, what are the best bang for buck? Same too with MCAs, would love to stump up for Reds, but it's starting to defeat the purpose of cheap & cheerful spending $3k on shocks.

    I'm looking to run Hawk HP Plus pads on the front only to begin with (had a new set of OE pads put on the rear as part of RWC) with Penrite 10/10ths fluid, cause I have shitloads of it.

    I've used a Sparco sprint in 2 of my previous cars so pretty happy with that. Do you sit much lower?
    I have the MCA Street Performance coilovers, and they are well suited to someone wanting to drive to and from the track and do five or six track days during the year. I picked mine up second hand for $1500.

    Red Series is overkill. I might upgrade to their Race Prime coilover when/if I move onto a stickier R Spec tyre. There are a heap of "MX5 parts for sale" groups on FB. Just join those and keep your eye out.

    I run the QFM A1RM pads all round, and I have been really happy with them. Cheap ($119 set), not too dusty, fine for the street from cold, not too aggressive on the DBA T3 rotors, and holding up fine on the track.

    I do sit a little lower in the Sparco Sprints, but not too much because I kept the sliding rails.
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    If you go for BC coilovers I would recommend the RM-MH inverted strut units.
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    Oh yeah, im getting good results from EBC YellowStuff too. Didnt consider other pads though as these came with the 8B brakes that i bought as an upgrade.
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    How about rpf01s for the wheel?

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    There are RPF01s in a 15x8 + 20 for sale at the moment on marketplace, dickhead isn't responding though.
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    Firstly, congrats on buying the right model MX5.

    I have plenty of experience in tracking MX5's as you know. This list can be taken how you like. But your a dickhead if you do it differently.

    1. B.C B.R Coilovers. Last I looked they are under $1200 new. Just get the off the shelf ones, no need to go custom Spring rates.
    2. Big fuck off front hollow swaybar from 949Racing or whoever 1.125". Ditch the rear one. $350 or so.
    3. Once you have all the bits on the car, corner weight and wheel align it properly. $? Not sure what your guy charges.
    4. Remove all your stupid heavy braces. They are not needed. $0
    5. AR1M pads are fine. As above $119
    6. Torsen 4.3 diff $1000. You can sell yours for a few hundred, Beavis sends the gears to the states.
    7. Braided lines and dot 4 or better fluid.
    8. 15x9 949 Racing or Advanti's or whatever you find cheap that's light.
    9. Nitto NT01's or Nankangs. 225/45/15
    10. Seat, harness, safety, etc.

    This will be plenty to have fun in a car that will be awesome to throw around. Predictable and precise. When you get bored, an exhaust, cheap extractors and pod filter will be the next step. 1.6 Lightweight flywheel and heavy duty clutch after that.
    Then you can buy a carbon fibre hardtop off me and ditch your soft top. (A good soft top sells for $6-$700)
    This set up would get you at the front of any group of MX5's. I normally even beat the turbo ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightyear View Post
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    Cheers for that! Couple of questions:
    1) is $1250 for a known good 4.3 torsen too much?
    2) What braces do you mean? This car is 100% standard
    3) Do 15x9" require guard rolling ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Cheers for that! Couple of questions:
    1) is $1250 for a known good 4.3 torsen too much?
    2) What braces do you mean? This car is 100% standard
    3) Do 15x9" require guard rolling ??
    He means the trans tunnel brace and diff subframe brace. Both of which comes standard on an NB8B.

    However, if you are bothering to logbook the car and you remove the braces you will need a tailshaft loop (and if a scrote gets picky). The standard braces effectively act as a tailshaft drop preventer, and are lighter than the usual loops.

    SpecMiata guys swear by them. YMMV.
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    $1250 is as high as you would want to go. The MX5 shop in qld ship them for cheaper I think. All the Oem braces do nothing for lap times. That goes for the strut brace that was in the way of your master cyl stopper. I would roll the guards if the car is going to be lower than stock. It's only when you put 225/50/15's on like A050's that you really need to fully roll the guards. 45 profile is much friendlier for clearance.
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    If you ring them and buy direct they normally inc shipping for free.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mazda-MX...AAAMXQl99Q416t
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    Yeah, thatís the one I was referring to, I can pick it up.
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    is this six speed or five speed?
    have been looking at one of these or an NA but found i really needed a six speed with the diff ratios i wanted!
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    Lightyear - so really the big swaybar on front, none on the rear? That doesn't make it understeer on slower corners?

    Sam - yep, a 6 speed, the NB8B (2000-2004) had the 6 speed and the Australia only sill tall diff, 3.6. The 6 speed certainly seems to require a little more conscious thought changing from 5th back to 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Lightyear - so really the big swaybar on front, none on the rear? That doesn't make it understeer on slower corners?

    Sam - yep, a 6 speed, the NB8B (2000-2004) had the 6 speed and the Australia only sill tall diff, 3.6. The 6 speed certainly seems to require a little more conscious thought changing from 5th back to 4th.
    Awesome. Iíve got my eye on an NA mx5, hopefully the six speed drops in

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    Round 2 Morgan Park Super Sprints just entered, 13 & 14 April. Bare minimum I'd like to get done by then is pads and fluids, a few busy weekends before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Stuff.

    Flogging the ring out of it got 10.2/100 on the way down and 8.4/100 on the way back.
    Sweet, looks good. How'd you get it to do 10.2/100 though, my old NA6 did like 7-8 no matter what and I was certainly never easy on that car. I actually thought it was just set up with a static amount of fuel injected into it.

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    Awesome. Iíve got my eye on an NA mx5, hopefully the six speed drops in
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightyear View Post
    Firstly, congrats on buying the right model MX5.

    I have plenty of experience in tracking MX5's as you know. This list can be taken how you like. But your a dickhead if you do it differently.

    1. B.C B.R Coilovers. Last I looked they are under $1200 new. Just get the off the shelf ones, no need to go custom Spring rates.
    2. Big fuck off front hollow swaybar from 949Racing or whoever 1.125". Ditch the rear one. $350 or so.
    3. Once you have all the bits on the car, corner weight and wheel align it properly. $? Not sure what your guy charges.
    4. Remove all your stupid heavy braces. They are not needed. $0
    5. AR1M pads are fine. As above $119
    6. Torsen 4.3 diff $1000. You can sell yours for a few hundred, Beavis sends the gears to the states.
    7. Braided lines and dot 4 or better fluid.
    8. 15x9 949 Racing or Advanti's or whatever you find cheap that's light.
    9. Nitto NT01's or Nankangs. 225/45/15
    10. Seat, harness, safety, etc.

    This will be plenty to have fun in a car that will be awesome to throw around. Predictable and precise. When you get bored, an exhaust, cheap extractors and pod filter will be the next step. 1.6 Lightweight flywheel and heavy duty clutch after that.
    Then you can buy a carbon fibre hardtop off me and ditch your soft top. (A good soft top sells for $6-$700)
    This set up would get you at the front of any group of MX5's. I normally even beat the turbo ones.
    So Australia Post returned the master cylinder to me for some unknown reason. So I unbolted the strut brace and fitted it up last night. I've also order QFM A1RM pads and tow hooks. A bloke in Brisbane has 15x9 6ULs for sale for $800, offered him $700 and so far no go, he's had the advertised for a while so we'll see what happens.

    Whare are you getting the BC BRs for $1200? Where I'm looking they seem to be $1400. Do 8kg front, 6kg rear seem right? http://bcracing.com.au/n-04-ra
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    I bought BC's for my E30 off these guys. Price hasn't changed in 9 years. $1299

    http://justjap.com/bc-racing-coilove..._store=default
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    Yeah, the BRs are $1400.

    Anyways, it gets a 4.3 torsen next week. Should really wake it up & make it keep up with council buses now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Yeah, the BRs are $1400.
    Yeah I had BR's, so they have gone up $100 in 9 years. I quite liked them and some of the 2F guys race with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    A bloke in Brisbane has 15x9 6ULs for sale for $800, offered him $700 and so far no go, he's had the advertised for a while so we'll see what happens.
    Just be careful with 15 x 9s. You'll really want a 225 wide tyre on those, and there aren't a heap of options in 225/45/15. Even then you 'll need to keep an eye on clearances to struts/coilovers and guards will most likely need to be rolled.
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  • bbcode_create
  • showthread_postbit_create
  • postbit_factory
  • postbit_display_start
  • bbcode_parse_start
  • postbit_imicons
  • bbcode_parse_complete_precache
  • bbcode_parse_complete
  • postbit_attachment
  • postbit_display_complete
  • memberaction_dropdown
  • bbcode_img_match
  • pagenav_page
  • pagenav_complete
  • forumrules
  • navbits
  • navbits_complete
  • build_navigation_data
  • build_navigation_array
  • check_navigation_permission
  • process_navigation_links_start
  • process_navigation_links_complete
  • set_navigation_menu_element
  • build_navigation_menudata
  • build_navigation_listdata
  • build_navigation_list
  • set_navigation_tab_main
  • set_navigation_tab_fallback
  • navigation_tab_complete
  • fb_like_button
  • showthread_complete
  • page_templates