Porsche 944 turbo road to racecar.

[MR 1JZ]

50k for a gearbag... Whats it got 15 gears?

[Justengt4]

50k for a gearbag... Whats it got 15 gears?

X-trac box is $80k......that does include a truck diff, software etc but yeah....you play, you pay.

[MR 1JZ]

Jeezus... I dont feel so bad about window shopping for a 21k samsonas sequential now

[da9jeff]

Surely a dog engagement setup im the stock box would be less than 50k??!

[1320ft]

Congrats on the win.

This place is too small for any real sponsorship. The best I could hope for is some cheap or possibly free consumables (which while appreciated, isn't going to touch the sides). If anyone did offer a sizeable chunk 'o cash (say $20k) they would expect blood and want you to turn up at some tyre shop once a month or something like that. Again, not looking any gift horses in the mouth but even $20k is chump change unfortunately.

No, the problem is that over the years people who have been given sponsorship's have abused what they were given & well, once bitten, twice shy. Plus for a $20k investment, we would expect nearly $100k return in sales.

I get "requests" for sponsorship nearly everyday, but 99.99% of them think it is as simple, you give me money & i'll put a sticker on my car. And most of them have never bought anything off us or even contacted us for a quote.

[Greg Rust]

RFQ coming through on Monday.

[333pg333]

Eventually you have to get off the Merry go Round of spend spend spend and just deal with what you have. If I won the lottery an SQ box would deffo be a done thing. So would converting the Pre WW1 trailing arm rear suspension, front Mac strut and simple 2 way shocks to a decent multilink setup. Then there's a rear diffuser which we don't even have. The rules in Open class dictate that you can only alter the floor to the axlelines. Even still, I'm sure a properly designed rear diffuser would add some downforce and clean up the aero. With the prize for winning events like this a slap on the back, it's very hard, no, impossible to justify the spend on these things. It's all rather stupid really, but what else do you do in life. That this 'Thing' is in the 1:30 mark at the Creek is noteworthy I guess.

Jeezus... I dont feel so bad about window shopping for a 21k samsonas sequential now

The Albins Transaxle SQ box is around $30k once you buy all the bits and pieces you need. I don't think that includes the custom axles and CVs either. Then there's probably modifying the torque tube/carrier and cutting and fabbing the car up to fit everything. Then there's a custom fuel cell to fit also. It would add up very quickly when you're not doing the work yourself and it's largely custom. Would seriously love to do it. It would mean we could spec a different motor too. With stock syncro box it's so slow to shift and you lose a fair bit of spoolup. The turbo's on these cars are located on the 'wrong' side anyway, so we are behind the 8 ball to start in that regard. So we have to build a torquey motor to reduce shifts. Not necessarily a bad thing but a bit peakier motor with SQ box would net us about 2 seconds around E.Creek I guesstimate. Not sure if that represents a good R.o.I. but 2 secs is 2 secs. Even 1 second is deemed a big gain when you're around the 1:30 mark.

Surely a dog engagement setup im the stock box would be less than 50k??!

Oh, yes for sure. I suppose we could look to this but Paul said he didn't think it would be worth it. Plus in my mind dog gears put strain on other components and as much as the old syncro box is a clunker, it hasn't given us any troubles at all. Compared to a lot of other cars I think this is a good thing.

Congrats on the win.



No, the problem is that over the years people who have been given sponsorship's have abused what they were given & well, once bitten, twice shy. Plus for a $20k investment, we would expect nearly $100k return in sales.

I get "requests" for sponsorship nearly everyday, but 99.99% of them think it is as simple, you give me money & i'll put a sticker on my car. And most of them have never bought anything off us or even contacted us for a quote.

Agreed. There's no free lunch and nor would I expect any. My point is that the car is in someone else's workshop that I can't expect him to cart it around to various venues without paying him and compensating for time lost. I really don't know how our car could increase anyone's sale of anything really. Perhaps an Oil or Fuel product but then how can you measure that? Unless you have a voucher or key code system it would be very difficult to quantify the value added by sponsoring my car. I'd seriously entertain it if I thought it could work but can't see how?

[Guido]

I don't understand how a peakier delivery could ever be a better thing?? Surely a broad powerband is always going to tromp a short powerband?

[MrBoost]

I don't understand how a peakier delivery could ever be a better thing?? Surely a broad powerband is always going to tromp a short powerband?

there is a balance.... and i think in this case his current engine has it all down low and not alot of that needed power
up top. For example with your car i put a gt3076 on it once, sure there were parts that it was quicker and it was a shitload
easier to drive but overall at every track it was way faster with the 'peakier' style. If you have the right gearbox, sequential,
with flat shifts... you tend not to be in that torque region anymore.

[333pg333]

A peakier thing with short ratio SQ box would just go Zing Zing Zing and not lose spool. You'd be in the narrower but higher hp band all the time. Well that's the theory. Not one that I can approach at the moment. It would be like a Porsche Cup car but with more power. They don't have a ton of fat tq either but they're about as quick as the Super Taxis and if they could run without restrictors they'd be faster.


Actually the last larger motor had a lot more tq lower down than the current one. The current one highlights what we need with this box. I'm hoping to get something in between last and current motors that will be better than both. Capt Obvious I suppose but I believe I know mostly what is needed...apart from more Cha-Ching.

[Guido]

Agree that you need ratios to suit the powerband but surely a bigger powerband is preferential? Two motors, both with close ratio boxes, both with the same peak number however one motor has that peak more to the left and a much broader powerband through capacity and/or compression/porting/better use of turbo. How can the peaky motor be quicker, bearing in mind all other things are equal? Porsche Cup cars and Super Taxis are too wildly different to compare.

Nick - he has gone from the big motor to the small peaky motor and is now slower.

[da9jeff]

I also cant see how a dogbox would put more strain on things than a sequential, especially if a ign cut could be used. V8SC certainly weren't slow when they ran h patterns.

[agentcrm]

I also cant see how a dogbox would put more strain on things than a sequential, especially if a ign cut could be used. V8SC certainly weren't slow when they ran h patterns.

That's not what he said, Dogboxes put more strain on the rest of the driveline than SYNCO boxes.
We're also assuming Dogbox sets are available for that transaxle these days.

[da9jeff]

A big assumption, but I reckon these boxes are also used in gt40s? And of course it puts more strain on things than a synchro box, they also shift a lot faster. Having gone through 7 engines, whats a few CVs or drive shafts?

The bellow kits are for the 01E which looks to be interchangeable with the 016 after 5min reading on google.

http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/page.asp?productid=101

PAR also list a set and theres a few os suppliers with similar.

[333pg333]

The peaky engine in this comparative theory would have more peak power than the one with the broader / lower powerband. Hence each have their merits.

It was actually the 5 speed boxes that are generally used in GT40 and other V8 kitcar type things. Although the 6 speed is said to be pretty sturdy. Maybe there's more of them being used nowadays?
The LSD from a 911 box will slip straight in. I 'think' those dog gears would fit our box as they're very similar to the Audi 01. Although they're Very different to the ratios in my 'box.