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    Originally posted by Bren View Post
    That is awesome! I am looking at KYB AGX for the Lolvo, shipping price not too bad? Seems they are WAY cheaper overseas than locally.
    Nopics has Prime so shipping was free. And yes dramatically cheaper than anything I could find locally, which wasn't much.

    Not wedgy enough!

    Norbie!

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      Originally posted by Norbie View Post

      Very awesome, thanks!

      Do you have numbers for the rear brake hoses? Must be for IRS + drums.
      H1575...well thats listed for SA63 which is irs drum?....

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        Originally posted by japlish View Post
        H1575...well thats listed for SA63 which is irs drum?....
        Yeah should be the same. Thanks again!
        Norbie!

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          Today I pulled the wheels off the Celica and the Supra to have a good look at the brakes and see how they compare.

          This is the front brake hose from the Supra:



          It's in two sections because there is a bracket on the strut it clips to in the middle. I compared it with the hoses on the Celica and it's nearly the same, except the shorter hose is about 50mm longer on the Celica for some reason? Anyway I compared it with the part numbers supplied by Japlish and it all checks out so I ordered some new ones for the Celica. For the Supra I'm still getting a braided hose fabricated but I think I'll get it made as a single piece because it will be cheaper and simpler and the new coilovers probably won't even have the bracket thing to clip it to.

          As for the rear brakes, this is what the rear hose looks like on the Celica:



          Once again the part number supplied by Japlish matches perfectly so I ordered a new pair of these as well. I initially thought there was a second hose in the back, but that's not the case with the Celica - the hose connects to a hard line which then connects directly to the back of the drum brake.

          The Supra is different though. It has the same hose from the chassis to the trailing arm, then a short length of hard line, then another hose from there to the brake caliper. Here it is off the car:



          It's kind of weird that they did it this way - wouldn't it be so much simpler to have a single hose for the whole path? It's not like it would be excessively long. Anyway I think that's exactly what I'll do when I get the new braided lines made, once again it will be simpler and cheaper. Can anyone think of a reason why I shouldn't do that?

          While I was looking at brakes I pulled the pads out of the front calipers to see if I could identify them. Nope, they're just some ratty looking old pads:



          I ordered some new ones from the local brake shop - the best brand they could get me was Bendix, all the other suppliers who used to have pads for these cars seem to have stopped making them. Oh well at least I'll know what sort of pads I have now - I expect whatever is in there at the moment is just the cheapest pad that was available. I also ordered some new DBA disc rotors, nothing fancy because you can't get fancy ones any more. Ah the joys of owning an old car no-one cares about any more!

          Since the wheels were off I decided to swap the rear shocks from the Supra since the old ones in the Celica look extremely worn out and drive like it too. I thought about swapping the springs as well but thought it would look a bit weird having the car lowered in the back only, so I might leave that until after the coilovers are done!

          I think I'm going to do something similar with the front. I have the new shocks ready to go but the coilovers won't happen for another 4-5 weeks and I'm not that patient. So why not throw the shocks in and keep the existing springs for now? Well one reason is that they're a shorter stroke shock so I'd have to put tons of preload on the spring. Or... I could get the trusty angle grinder out and lop a coil or two off the spring until it fits. Sounds legit doesn't it?
          Norbie!

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            space the insert up to the top of the strut so you wont have to cut the coil too much

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              The one time I don't snoop in threads there are part numbers and orders being made left right and center. Let me know if there's any trouble with the brake hoses arriving, I could sort something out. Where did you order from if you don't mind me asking? I had a look at work today, the rear ones had a discontinued vibe about them.

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                Yeah it's funny you mention that, I tried a few different places that listed the part number for the rear hoses and they said out of stock. I eventually found this lot who had stock, or at least claimed to:

                http://www.eziautoparts.com.au/

                I haven't heard anything from them since they took my order so I won't be very shocked if it turns out they don't actually have any. I guess if that happens I'll just have to get one custom made?

                Since I had the wheels off looking at brake bits I decided I might as well pull out the old shocks and chuck in the Bilsteins from the Supra. It's always been a bit scary taking a corner at any sort of speed, and I think this might be why:



                That's the Toyota branding and part number stamped into the shock body. Is it the original 1985 part? It wouldn't surprise me at all based on how it drives!

                The Bilsteins haven't had a lot of use and are clearly in much better shape:





                It will be interesting to see how much better it drives with just this change. I suspect it will be quite noticeable!

                I picked up my new front brake pads and rotors this afternoon and got started installing them. I was expecting it to be a quick job but I'd forgotten you need to take the hubs off to replace the rotors on these cars, way more of a pain than the newer setup I have on the Supra. The old rotors are looking pretty ordinary though so it will be good to throw them out. Surely they're not the originals, but on this car who really knows?
                Norbie!

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                  Originally posted by Norbie View Post
                  I haven't heard anything from them since they took my order so I won't be very shocked if it turns out they don't actually have any.
                  Yeah I just got an email saying their supplier doesn't have any and can't make new ones, so I guess I'll be going back to the local brake shop and getting a reproduction made. Slightly annoying but not the end of the world.
                  Norbie!

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                    Yeah Bosch have officially discontinued it, and IBS/protex have none. I dare say everyone in the country will be buying off them, but thems the brakes

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                      Originally posted by nopistons View Post
                      but thems the brakes
                      I see what you did there!

                      Speaking of brakes, I installed the new discs last night. The old ones were visibly worn but still well within spec so this might have been a waste of time. Oh well it makes me feel better having all new brakes considering how well this car had been maintained before I got it:



                      I pulled the struts out so I could get some sense of how bad the strut inserts are:



                      I didn't have spring compressors on hand so I used the old rattle gun trick. First time I've tried it, I was a little nervous but I didn't die:



                      As for the condition of the shocks, well see for yourself:



                      Zero resistance going in, very slight resistance coming back out. I don't think I've seen anything this bad, certainly not in a car I've actually driven on the road! I'm fairly confident these are the original 1985 shocks, same as the back. I wonder if this car has had any maintenance at all outside of its warranty period?

                      I have a feeling this car is going to be utterly transformed once I'm done with the suspension upgrades.
                      Norbie!

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                        Epic progress, mate, and very glad to see you got to the bottom of the exhaust leak too

                        That strut has certainly seen better days hahaha

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                          That disc has had some concentrated heat in it at some point.
                          Originally posted by brewdles
                          In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                            Originally posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
                            That disc has had some concentrated heat in it at some point.
                            I'm not sure how, the old 22R barely had enough power to get it up to speed when I got it!

                            I have now decided I hate gland nuts with the fire of a thousand suns.
                            Norbie!

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                              It's been a bit of a busy weekend, and I spent a lot of it fighting this fucking thing:



                              It measures 54mm across (or maybe 2 1/8") and I don't have anything that big. I tried my local Repco, Supercheap and Mitre 10, all useless. Eventually I said fuck it and bought a giant set of pliers. I brutalised the nut pretty badly but it came off eventually:



                              Fuck I hate working on suspension.

                              I got my revenge though:



                              I wasn't sure how much I should chop to suit my shorter stroke shocks, but I didn't want to think about it for too long either (I'm replacing it with coilovers in a few weeks), so I thought I'd just lop off two coils and see how that goes:



                              Actually that was way more than I needed to get the springs fitted. I didn't even need spring compressors, not even close:



                              At this point I was starting to wonder if I'd fucked up, but I bravely pressed on. New brake pads and rotors fitted:



                              Then it was time to torque everything up properly and put the car back on the ground. Is it low? Um, yep:







                              I actually dig how it looks! The rake is very 80s tastic but I think I should put the lowered rear springs in there pretty soon. But the important thing is the car drives again, which I'm very glad about because I have it booked in to get the AC fixed on Wednesday and I sure didn't want to tow it!

                              I went for a quick drive to see what it's like with the new suspension setup. The front end is a bit bouncy, it very much feels like it has chopped springs. But overall it feels way more planted than it used to, unsurprisingly given how worn the old shocks were. The front wheels don't scrape or rub anywhere which is a bonus. So far I'm calling it a moderate success, but I'll reserve judgment until the rear springs and front coilovers are installed.
                              Norbie!

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                                My shocks came with new gland nuts so I just hit the old ones with a hammer and cold chisel until they were loose enough to undo by hand. I like the look too, certainly doesn't look too low from those pics?? Supra wheels look good on it to. Full respray next methinks. Carry on.

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