Civic TYpe R details.... and price

[Che Castro]

yeah like 30/40nm have just disappeared between 3000-6000rpm

[edo]

Are we looking at the same dyno graph? All I see is a NA 2L production engine with over 90% of it's torque from just below 3000rpm to 8500rpm.

Not bad considering the absence of a blower.

Firstly 90% of fuck all isnt much

& all its competitors have a blower...which begs the question why you would bother.

[rj_astra]

Firstly 90% of fuck all isnt much

& all its competitors have a blower...which begs the question why you would bother.

It begs the question why Honda didn't just drop the top spec Accord Euro 2.4L engine into it.

[tinkerbell]

It begs the question why Honda didn't just drop the top spec Accord Euro 2.4L engine into it.

just to make it slower?

your obsession with torque seems to be influencing rational thought...

EDIT: hmmm, gunna be too hard to prove so i should retract the above comment, sorry :knock:

[trent from punchy]

agreed.

theres a euro R in japan.
they took out the K24 and dropped in the K20.

[edo]

It begs the question why Honda didn't just drop the top spec Accord Euro 2.4L engine into it.

Then they'd want $60k for a civic...(possible exageration)

[Captiva Fan]

Corollary = you are in VTEC y0 zone from 40km/h to 200km/h+ if you want to be...

Corollary - perfect word, it makes you think of the Corolla Sportivo, which is what this Civic is going to be like to drive.

It's pretty much the same situation as the S2000. Pretty on-paper power, good acceleration under perfect circumstances, and it has a small niche all to itself. But I think it's going to be the same as the S2000, in that there are near-competitors that are better in other niches very close by.

Of course, this could be me being all jaded & cranky. I think it more likely, however, that we've got a Honda Corolla Sportivo on our hands, and that Honda should go back to the City Pro-T & learn how to do fun small turbo cars again.

[rj_astra]

Then they'd want $60k for a civic...(possible exageration)

well.. an Accord Euro with that engine only costs $33K

your obsession with torque seems to be influencing rational thought...

The problem (??) is Honda's obsession with small capacity high revving engines to make power. The other manufacturer who has gone this way is Renault with the Clio 197. And the reports seem to be the same. Unless you flog it continously it is not competitive.

From all accounts Toyota learnt the lesson with the Sportivo. Apparently the next sports oriented Corolla is to be a 2.4L I4, 2.2L TDI or a 3.5l V6.

[Captiva Fan]

The other manufacturer who has gone this way is Renault with the Clio 197. And the reports seem to be the same. Unless you flog it continously it is not competitive.

Have Renault done that recently? That's a bit of a shame, a mate of mine had one of those first Oz models 3-4 years ago, and although it had a lot of faults, it had a really torquey flexible engine; 2 litres in reasonable tune into that model Clio worked pretty well, it wasn't exactly a large or heavy car.
I had read the newer shape is a little heftier though. It hasn't come here yet, though, has it?

[Cal]

An aspirated car is always going to be a nicer drive though.

Cal.

[dhs]

Crackpipe pricing, its going to get lost in the sea of quicker striaght line cars.

My old man could of got a WRX but instead he got a Honda Accord Euro 6spd and I'm just as impressed. Very nice bit of kit; they should do a stripped-down touring version. Handes sublime and the motor revs freely. He even let me drive it once; I thought after one drive without pranging it it'd be free reign to borrow but it was more "You've had your turn son, now keep dreaming".

[trent from punchy]

torque at high revs is the key to going fast.
this motor does that well.

[[SPESHAL]]

My old man could of got a WRX but instead he got a Honda Accord Euro 6spd and I'm just as impressed. Very nice bit of kit; they should do a stripped-down touring version. Handes sublime and the motor revs freely. He even let me drive it once; I thought after one drive without pranging it it'd be free reign to borrow but it was more "You've had your turn son, now keep dreaming".

How on earth you can compare a WRX and a Euro is beyond me...... Sure they are nice cars, but they certainly aren't performance.

[rj_astra]

Have Renault done that recently? That's a bit of a shame, a mate of mine had one of those first Oz models 3-4 years ago, and although it had a lot of faults, it had a really torquey flexible engine; 2 litres in reasonable tune into that model Clio worked pretty well, it wasn't exactly a large or heavy car.
I had read the newer shape is a little heftier though. It hasn't come here yet, though, has it?

It's is a lot heftier than the old model. And that's the problem. The new Civic TypeR is far heavier than the old DC2. It's very hard to squeeze more Nms out of these small capacity engines to cover the increase in weight. So they cover it with high revs and 6speed low ratio gearboxes. Top gear (6th) in the 197 is less than 30km/h x 1000rpm. Similar in the Civic.

[tinkerbell]

Unless you flog it continously it is not competitive.

hold on - *competitive* - are you talking about on the road or on the track?

on the road - yeah peaky could be annoying if you didnt like using a clutch and your left hand,

but on a race circuit - give me peaky anyday...