Hardcore street racers caught

[Peter...]

In my opinion, street racing will continue to occur until society changes it's view on speeding. It almost seems to be accepted these days that it's okay to speed, or at least as far as that it's in the lower end of offences you can commit. Hell, radio stations even tell you where radars are so you know when to slow down. I'd love to see the public reaction if they started broadcasting RBT locations, but then society looks down on drink driving doesn't it

But why should society change its view on "Speeding?" Most of us are smart enough to KNOW that it is rarely "Speeding" that causes shit to happen. Case in point, I may (or may not) regularly do 120km/h on the freeway, I may (or may not) regularly exceed the posted limits, because the conditions might suit it. The fact of the matter is, while ever the government can make money from "Speeding", society will be suspicious, and rightly so. I'd be willing to bet the government does not make money from drink driving or drug prevention.

How come Italians can drive at much higher speeds on their Autostrada? How come the Poms regularly cruise their motorways at-or-near 100mph? How come ze Churmans can travel at high speeds on their Autobahns? Are they significantly better equipped to deal with such dangerous and reckless driving? I wouldn't think so.

[Sport4]

I disagree. The type of people that speed/street race are the same type of people that have the "It won't happen to me" attitude, so no matter how many stories or pictures you tell or show them, it will make no difference to them until it does personally affect them.

Thats a bit of a blanket statement. Admittedly I have street raced, back roads and the like. I know it can and will happen.

[747]

maybe another solution is that ANDRA license holders get to go at street racers and their vehicles with baseball bats and chainsaws for bringing our sport down.

[RX22NV]

And his judgment CAN be challenged in the courts as it should be for reasons of fairness and accountability.

That's another problem. It becomes your word against the police officers. And guess which way the judge will decide every time. Even when you contest a speeding fine. If you win they will refund your fine, but the points still stick.

Thats great - We find the defendant not guilty, but we will still crush the car!

Someone get on 2gb and give to to Ray Hadley. He is hell bent on crushing cars. People call in with some great ideas, but all he says is, if we crush the cars, they can't do it again.

[2rismo]

maybe another solution is that ANDRA license holders get to go at street racers and their vehicles with baseball bats and chainsaws for bringing our sport down.

Yup.

[oioioioioi]

The problem is fuckwits.

If someone wants to be a fuckwit, they will be. It's just that simple.

No one in this country needs to rob other people to survive. But everyday we hear stories of muggings and thefts and the associated horseshit. Sure the robber's life can end up a little easier after robbing someone, thats not the issue. The fact is that that individual CHOSE to go out of their way, to be a fuckwit, to rob someone. There are thousands of poor bastards out there that can barely afford to feed themselves, but they dont go out and start ripping off people and shit left and right. The people who DO become these sorts of criminals make a concious decision to do so. IE they have chosen to be a fuckwit, because it's what THEY WANT TO DO.

It's really simple, chuck them in the fucking slammer and see if they learn, if they do not, repeat with vengance.

The same thing can be applied to street racers, we dont need any more draconian laws destroying people property and creating a sense of fear in the community. Simply throw the fuckwits into prison.

Yes i do understand the fact that the prison system simply trains the next generation of hardened criminals, and that needs to stop, but it's a seperate issue. These people, these fuckwits, who choose to endanger others unnecessarily deserve to be punished, and severely. Maybe then they would realise just how poorly they are viewed by the rest of society.

It's unnecessary, it's stupid, and if you do it, you should be bubba's bitch. I dont want my future kids to have to have to worry about you on the road. My child shouldn't have to be able to identify the sound of an v6 commodore at 5500 rpm with a 4" exhaust. He will be able too, and he will begin to laugh hysteicaly as i do when i hear a fart can equiped excel, but he shouldn't HAVE to just to safegaurd his own life.

[oioioioioi]

Just to add, i understand alot of people participate in illegal drags in the middle of no-where in the middle of the night, and realistically this should be taken into VERY careful consideration regarding sentencing.

But it's still illegal. Thats why drag strips exist. So you dont kill yourself, or MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH WORSE someone else.

[Captiva Fan]

It's really simple, chuck them in the fucking slammer and see if they learn, if they do not, repeat with vengance.

It's very easy to say that, and it'd be easy to do if we had enough mind readers around that could be 100% sure of a person's guilt ...

[Herve Villecha]

That's another problem. It becomes your word against the police officers. And guess which way the judge will decide every time. Even when you contest a speeding fine. If you win they will refund your fine, but the points still stick.

In my experience, the magistrate does not always take the side of police every time. In fact there are quite a few who rule against police on a regular basis (and one who seems to do it every time).

Blaming the police and courts for the points thing is silly. The RTA controls that side of things. If they refuse to remove demerit points after a fine has been squashed, you need to take it up with them. If they won't play ball, move up the ladder or take them to court over it.

Another thing that most people don't seem to realise is that the cop on the side of the road does not have the final say as to the confiscation of the vehicle. A request must be made for a duty officer to attend and authorise the confiscation. Sure, the duty officer will usually agree with the junior officer but it's not an automatic thing. The officer must justify the confiscation before it is authorised. Then you still have the right to appeal it in court.

Yes it is a major fuck around for those involved, but it's nowhere near as cut and dry as most of the people here seem to think. If the confiscate and crush idea were to somehow make it into legislation, I can't see why it would be any easier to do than the current confiscation process. In fact, it would more likely be even more difficult to justify destroying someone's property for a traffic offence unless there were deaths or major injuries involved and it was clear who was at fault.

[RX22NV]

Its illegal for sure, its wrong and racing on polpulated public streets can endanger lives. I don't street race anymore, but I like to drive my cars on public roads. The accident that happened 2 weeks ago was a tragedy and my condolences to the family.

What I have a Major, Major problem is when a copper can confiscate and crush your car for something that he simply PERCEIVES as street racing. These laws will come in, its just a matter of time. The media is fuelling the push for it.
I know first hand they already have a prejudice against modified cars. Its the fear and risk of having my car crushed even if I was not breaking the law that infuriates me. Its too severe in my eyes.

[GSRman]

maybe another solution is that ANDRA license holders get to go at street racers and their vehicles with baseball bats and chainsaws for bringing our sport down.

Ha!

It just annoys me the mentality of the govt.. - oh problem with skaters.. quick build a skatepark..

oh - problem with street racing, quick crush their cars.

and before anyone starts.. having to drive 3 hours after work to get 1 or 2 runs in at WSID and then another 3 hrs back, isn't really an option.

[RX22NV]

In my experience, the magistrate does not always take the side of police every time. In fact there are quite a few who rule against police on a regular basis (and one who seems to do it every time).

Blaming the police and courts for the points thing is silly. The RTA controls that side of things. If they refuse to remove demerit points after a fine has been squashed, you need to take it up with them. If they won't play ball, move up the ladder or take them to court over it.

In all of the instances where people I know have taken matters to court, the judge has ruled in favour of the police officer.

What? You elect to take the matter to court. You win, but the rta won't give your points back. You are already in court? What more should you need to do?

[747]

Ha!


and before anyone starts.. having to drive 3 hours after work to get 1 or 2 runs in at WSID and then another 3 hrs back, isn't really an option.

yes it is an option, its just people choose not to take it up.

its a half day of work for me to get there and means going to work the next day on 3 hours sleep in my 9 to 5 job but i still do it.

what you have said would be like saying putting condoms on takes time and it doesnt feel as good, so hey im to lazy i just risk having my dick fall of due to contracting aids. or its like rooting minga's cause they are easy to get instead of putting in some effort buying some flowers and waiting your time to root a glamour.

as least you know you cant get booked at wsid and if you break somethign or drop oil you can only hit a wall or another car, not a tree, light pole, pedestrian etc. plus you have fired marshalls to come and put you out when you catch on fire.

lifes not ment to be easy.

[Herve Villecha]

Well my experience is different. I'm not saying your experience is wrong, it's simply different to mine. That's life.

Contesting an infringement notice in court is about the fine. The RTA issues the points, so take it up with them. If they don't want to play ball after a court has killed the fine, that's a separate matter to be dealt with. It would be nice if it all worked together, but this is the RTA we're talking about. In my experience, they do whatever the fuck they want regardless of anything else.

[oioioioioi]

It's very easy to say that, and it'd be easy to do if we had enough mind readers around that could be 100% sure of a person's guilt ...

Ultimately thats a problem for the courts, no the system isn't perfect, but i truly believe that the majority of magistrates, judges etc would and do make the best call possible with the information at hand. Also, it simplifies the issue, it's just a regular we think your a crim, so you should be locked up, court case, where the burden of proof is on the police.

Personally i reckon all cop cars should be equipped with 3-4 cameras (with audio, got a mate out of an assault charge against cop) constantly recording to a black box type device, that can only be accessed by those outside the police department. EG a security company, to avoid corruption, data 'magically' dissapearing or being corrupted etc.. Then 99% of disputes could be solved by simply cracking the box.