Hardcore street racers caught

[ironhorse]

yeah , alot would have nothing to lose by running and everything to lose by stopping.

[Brenton_s15]

because the people we have elected to take charge have no idea how to LEAD let alone govern.

That's where you along with the vast majority of people have got it all wrong.

We have not elected people to "take charge", or "to lead". Nor, have we elected them to "govern" us. We elect them to re-present our views, which is why they are called our representatives. I'm not sure where all this "leader" bullshit came from, but it was probably the media rabbiting on about someone being a good leader and then loosing the plot. Sadly I think they've forgotten this now and like our representatives actually believe their own crap.


Please folks, remember that these people are not our Leaders. They are our representatives. Their duty is to re-present our views. If they fail to do this, then let them know and don't vote for them again.

[Nick]

Ironhorse: well not quite, if they run then the worst thing could happen. If they stop then it's there car that cops it. But knowing some people that do street race then most will not hisitate to run as they see it as just more of a rush. It's sad but I really don't think there is a solution for it. Just like Drugs, alcohol, abuse, hail.

[ironhorse]

Ironhorse: well not quite, if they run then the worst thing could happen. If they stop then it's there car that cops it. But knowing some people that do street race then most will not hisitate to run as they see it as just more of a rush. It's sad but I really don't think there is a solution for it. Just like Drugs, alcohol, abuse, hail.

agreed , i should have said , in their mind or view i don't think many would see any reason to stop . Even though it would be the best thing for them to do.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's time to grow up mate. Everyone thinks "it won't happen to me" but it always happens to someone. Maybe that "someone" will be you...

How would you like to have it on your conscience that you killed or injured someone ?? Grow up mate, if you want to prove yourself take it to the track and impress us with times that are verified with a piece of paper.

Why risk your life and your car to impress fuckwits who in all likelihood you probably don't even know ?? If you crash and burn they'll run away to avoid getting in the shit. At the track if it turns to shit everything is in place to help you in a matter of seconds. Do the math mate...

I know, and if you read what I said, ive calmed down heaps in recent times. The 224 was a big wake up call, even if I did get off without charge. (long story and one I dont really want to repeat again)

That actually woke me up more then the crash I had last year, and while I wasnt racing or anything at the time, I was with my core group of car mates and had just been out doing some stupid speeds, and some other crap. However, ill say it again, was not racing at the time of my accident.

Ive always said if I hurt someone I wouldnt be able to live with it, and Im beginning to more firmly believe that these days.

I now have a cams license, and am itching to compete on track as often as I can.

I used to have a saying about racing "anyime, anywhere" ... On friday night I left after one leg of a cruise, as it was obviously going to get owned by cops. and owned it was.

I am growing up, but im not going to lie or hide behind the facts of what I do.

[AJC13B]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the had a look at the photo's I have in my filing cabinet from accidents I have attended in years gone by, they would reduce the amount of street racing dramatically.

I wouldnt even trust some of my work collegues to enforce such laws.

I can see something like this just encouraging a lot more high speed pursuits.

I dont think the accident photos would work. Ive seen some sick, sick shit on the net, stuff like that turns my stomach but not in a 'scare' way, just a nauseous way

I said it in another thread, have an ad where a street racer/speeder takes out a bus stop full of kids, and that shit will dry up. Only one ad impacted me, and it was the ad from years ago where a kid runs out from behind a car chasing a ball across the street and the car didnt stop in time. That image pops into my head everytime I am in suburbia. No one wants to kill a kid and end up in jail

[Brenton_s15]

If you think about this for more than half a second, you will realise how it actually has the potential to make things worse. In fact, I would put it in the same league as double-demerit points on designated weekends and the increases they keep making to the demerit point scheme.

While these things may all look lovely from a Maquarie Street office, the sad truth is that they have been proven to not work. Sadly, this fact gets buried in one lot of statistics and misrepresented in another. Through increased point penalties and extending the time period of the point scheme, we now have more unlicensed drivers on our roads than ever before. Why? Simply because more people are loosing their licenses and can not afford to be without a car (perhaps through laziness or through a variety of reasons). But the bottom line is that the way things are now, for a lot of people who loose their license, they deem it worth the risk of driving unlicensed.

Confiscating cars and/or crushing them also has a much greater chance of turning a simple traffic infringement into a major incident as there will be a much higher proportion of people who will think it is worth the risk of outrunning the police. Now, while a sane person knows that you can’t outrun Motorola, you do in fact stand a very good chance of outrunning a police car. My concern with the concept being discussed here is that it will see a much higher number of high speed pursuits and it stands to reason a higher number of these will end in tragic circumstances. When this occurs, the white-shoe brigade will no doubt call for tougher measures which will once again raise the penalties and therefore push a few more people over the edge as their risk-reward calculator is now in the “worth it category”. I’m sure you can see how this stuff escalates. It has already happened with the demerit point scheme as can be seen by the number of unlicensed drivers now being caught, and I don’t see this as being any different.

Sadly, the well meaning people who propose this stuff and then legislate it are not around when the real impact is noticeable. The people running the show when it does start to become visible don’t really understand why and then we go around again.

Of course it will be sold like Motherhood and Apple-Pie, which makes it hard to object to, although if you raise your objections in a calm and rational tone, you might be able to make a difference. Look beyond your own personal fears as they pale to insignificance when viewed in context within the grand scheme of things.



Cheers, Brenton

[Sturmovik]

What if the confiscated cars are owned by the bank/finance company?

You end up paying off a 1 cubic metre crushed car.

[RX-20B]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the had a look at the photo's I have in my filing cabinet from accidents I have attended in years gone by, they would reduce the amount of street racing dramatically.

I wouldnt even trust some of my work collegues to enforce such laws.

I can see something like this just encouraging a lot more high speed pursuits.

I can appreciate where you're coming from in respects to the graphical photos but having said that I think the younger generation are becoming desensitised to graphic pictures, espically with half the shit you see on the net.

[Ustasa]

That's where you along with the vast majority of people have got it all wrong.

No, I think this is where being a realist comes into play. The majority of the people are sheeple i.e. they need to be told what to do. So in a perfect world you would be right (here's hoping to the future). But in this farked up environment, the majority of the dumbos need the minority (smarties) to pull them out of the shit while they wake upto themselves. Trouble occurs when dopey farks run the show instead of taking orders. Believe me, I'd rather your view on governance took precedence over mine.

This is where the problem raises its ugly head. Some donkey is going to take a dumb idea (like crushing confiscated cars) and run with it because he thinks he is managaing the problem of street racing.

[buzz]

Ironically, "real" street races with a flagger and two cars on a long straight bit of blacktop in the ar5e end of nowhere in the middle of the night are demonstrably less dangerous than 2 cars toying with each other in traffic.

Poor Moroney, in frustration he makes an off the cuff comment and suddenly it is hailed as Govt policy.

The annoying thing is, as many have pointed out, a "race" is such a subjective judgement for someone to make. And a lot hinges on that call.

[festymick]

See this is the thing, you may get pulled over and car confiscated for something that is completely innocent, you have to prove your innocence in court, you are out of money, have to take time off and have risk of your car getting damaged my the impound process.

While i do not wish to seem opinionated, i agree with this, and the fact is, it only takes a few dickheads to ruin it for everyone else.
So lets say you are proven innocent in the court of law- but your car is damaged in some way, or you are considerably inconvenianced. Can you then sue the Police officer, and the Judge/ court for your loss?
You could be almost certain of being a 'target' from the same group of officers.

And what's this about gettin everyone outside WSID on Wed night? Do they want to scare 'responsible' drivers away from there too?

[Tripper]

one would imagine that your car wouldnt get turned into a pancake or cube untill you have been thru the legal system, and if for some reason or somehow your car was damaged you would be able to seek money to fix it, given the fact that if you serve time and are found not guilty they have to pay a shit load of money.

[kabab]

Until more people are dying from street racing then drink driving the government is wasting our time and money.

Wtf was the point of that little stunt and WSID all it will achieve is make less people participate in legal racing and take it onto the street.

[walkie]

There was a story in the telegraph yesterday (The nobel prize writers they are) about street racers. The people they interviewed were going on about doing it because it was illegal and for the bragging rights. Way back when I dont think it was about that at all, well not for the group I was with.

so the answer is LEGALISATION! If all the grandmas were doing it too, it would soon be like, so totally uncool