Hardcore street racers caught

[[ryan]]

>I feel that this is very relevant to this thread:
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Your banning?

[Do the safety dance.]

lol

[12arx3]

so the answer is LEGALISATION! If all the grandmas were doing it too, it would soon be like, so totally uncool

There may be an element of truth in this - given the crowd that think having a Prelude with 50 defect notices is cool, there must certainly be a crowd that think it is soooooo cool to have their shitbox cars impounded etc.

And I think [ryan] should be banned.

[monstadore]

So in anticipation of these new laws...... Should we be filling in organ donor cards for our cars????

"Yes, your car has been crushed..... but! Little Billy Skyline down at the local workshop has been able to overcome those leaning out issues thanks to YOUR INJECTORS!"

In reality do you REALLY think these laws will come into effect? Can you imagine the red tape and paper work this would create? One person's perception of a race may differ from anothers, a witness's story wont match up, someone really needs their car for work or they will lose their job, " i didnt realise it was a race"....... The problem being is there is a lot of room for loopholes to open up. I wouldnt like to be the one drafting it all up.

[Madhatr]

And I think [ryan] should be banned.

Second that. Woke so up and thats just not cool

[Zac]

In reality do you REALLY think these laws will come into effect? Can you imagine the red tape and paper work this would create? One person's perception of a race may differ from anothers, a witness's story wont match up, someone really needs their car for work or they will lose their job, " i didnt realise it was a race"....... The problem being is there is a lot of room for loopholes to open up. I wouldnt like to be the one drafting it all up.

If the best opposition that enthusiasts can dig up is a few internet posts then it absolutely will go through. Look at confiscation laws in place already.

[AJC13B]

>I feel that this is very relevant to this thread:

Oh the ironing....

[TommySix]

Your post is silly. The copper doesn't have to have motec logged throttle data and prove ANYTHING beyond reasonable doubt, he simply has to make his own subjective judgement on his perception of events. Reasonable doubt is for the courts , in reality anyway if not in theory.

And his judgment CAN be challenged in the courts as it should be for reasons of fairness and accountability.

[twidenbar]

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[twidenbar]

Hi, my name is Steve and I used to street race.

I minimised the risk to other people by racing in low traffic areas (industrial areas, freeways etc and all late at night) and not doing the fast and furious thing of racing down roads with cars and people packed down either side of the road. I must have been in the Sydney scene for a good few years, every Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights.

Why? I dont know, I just did. I wasnt into clubbing or getting pissed every night and I didnt really have anything else to do, so I went out in my car. A cruise to Wollongong or something usually ended up back in Sydney @ 1am and heading out to Enfield Kebabs or Burmah @ Bankstown and the phones would be ringing hot.

There was a story in the telegraph yesterday (The nobel prize writers they are) about street racers. The people they interviewed were going on about doing it because it was illegal and for the bragging rights. Way back when I dont think it was about that at all, well not for the group I was with.

I stopped doing it after one particular night. 2 close shaves while racing and then defected which cost over $1000 to get sorted. I was lucky to not get caught. If a cop popped out of a bush or something, I would have run.

Whats the answer? I dont know. 'Hoons' have been around as long as cars have been. Stupid laws arent going to stop people being into cars and wanting to go fast.

Raising a dead post, but meh.

I "street race", but do it in reasonable places, that minimise the danger to the public, such as country roads at 3am. I dont do stupid things such as drive in the other lain, only needs one truck to be coming at the wrong time to kill me.

Myself and a few mates do it, just me and the other 2, we all drive, and dont tell anybody that we do. So it should be fairly obvious we dont do it because it is illegal, or for "street cred".

I dont know why i do it, i guess i just like to drive at the speeds i do. However i dont do it while putting other people in harms way. I've gotten sick of getting smashed every friday or saturday night, so once a month, we go out for a drive.

So does this make me a "dangerous hoon", or just a car enthusiast?

n.b. I drive the same road every time, as do my 2 mates. I have driven that same road as a passenger for the past 7 years, twice daily, and for the past 6 months as a driver, about 4 times daily or more. I feel that i know the road better than just about anybody, and don't ever push the car to its limits, just as i don't drive faster than i can safely handle.

[Captiva Fan]

In reality do you REALLY think these laws will come into effect?

WHAT laws? It was a bit of rhetoric from a politically-appointed public-servant.
In terms of accuracy/relevance, at the very best it gives some insight into the mindset of the upper echelon of the various state police services.

twidenbar ... the unexpected can occur, and usually when you don't expect it. I'm not intending to be tut-tutting like the old fogey I am, but saying you're not putting others in harm's way says you've arranged for a lot of infrastructure which you've not mentioned (spotters up ahead etc). Not trying to get into an argument; just pointing out the fallacy in what you're saying, WRT danger of others (not to mention yourselves ... if you get all mangled but not dead, it's the rest of us that have to pay to try & fix it).

[GSRman]

DCR: that was pretty much my concern.. VL turbo's find their way into P platers hands relatively easily these days, and XR6 turbo's will soon too.. they are plenty fast enough to have a crack at outrunning the 5-0.. and youngin's are far more likely to have a crack at it.. and far less likely to get away with it without chucking it into the scenery.. or someone else.


I guess its kinda like the drug debate.. eg making all drugs totally illegal has ripple effects (like the price of the drug being huge, and the exploitation of kids etc to get them into the country/produce them - like those guys who were cooking speed in that hotel room) but you can't make it legal to stop all these things..

I wish i had the answer..

Incidentally, i was thinking about this the other day when me and another member of this forum went for a ride.. we took off from some lights with another bike.. we weren't racing.. but we took off a hell of a lot faster than the cars around us.. but it could easilly be viewed as racing.

[oxy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the had a look at the photo's I have in my filing cabinet from accidents I have attended in years gone by, they would reduce the amount of street racing dramatically.

I disagree. The type of people that speed/street race are the same type of people that have the "It won't happen to me" attitude, so no matter how many stories or pictures you tell or show them, it will make no difference to them until it does personally affect them.

In my opinion, street racing will continue to occur until society changes it's view on speeding. It almost seems to be accepted these days that it's okay to speed, or at least as far as that it's in the lower end of offences you can commit. Hell, radio stations even tell you where radars are so you know when to slow down. I'd love to see the public reaction if they started broadcasting RBT locations, but then society looks down on drink driving doesn't it

[tinkerbell]

Incidentally, i was thinking about this the other day when me and another member of this forum went for a ride.. we took off from some lights with another bike.. we weren't racing.. but we took off a hell of a lot faster than the cars around us.. but it could easilly be viewed as racing.

yes, exactly what i was asking on the previous page...

will a cop see me being in a race cause i accelerate from the lights quickly and some goon in a S13 does the same? is that a race?

i guess you'd have to be exceeding the speed limit - but that is not what the legislation says...

[GSRman]

I don't think you have to exceed the speed limit.. think about this.. if you were doing a 0-100 G-tech run, thats technically a 'speed trial', and if you were in a 110 zone, you aren't speeding but could still have your car cubed.

I was once out at a local industrial estate, where burnouts and racing etc happened quite often on a friday night, and the police rolled in, so everyone formed an orderly queue to be RBT'd and rego checked - as was normal form, when an officer informed me that if he saw me out there again he would confiscate my car, I said that i wasn't racing or anything, i was just out there chatting with mates, not doing anything illegal (and i wasn't), he then told me that under the law he could still take my car. I checked into it, got some printouts etc, an e-mail saying that was not the case and kept it in my car for the next time i saw him.. which i never did.

Problem is, they write the laws for the lowest common denominator, but they need to also spell them out for the lowest police denominator too.

Don't get me wrong, i wouldn't want to do their job.. i don't pretend that i could put up with the scumbags that they have to deal with on a daily basis, but there are just some cops that need to go back to the academy and learn the laws.