Fog light usage regulated in Vic (FINALLY!!)

[Sicarius123]

Fog lights are nothing compared to the fucking driving lights that come on domestic cars.

Seriously the jap and euro imports with fog lights really don't bother me, falcodores don't have fucking fog lights, it's like a second set of fucking high beams, I'M GOING TO STAB YOU IN THE FUCKING EYE WITH YOUR CAR KEYS CUNT, TURN IT THE FUCK OFF.

I love when police drive around with them on, complete cunts.

[willsy01]

The ones Holden used on the VX Commodores were the worst by a loooong shot.

[GTREA]

The ones Holden used on the VX Commodores were the worst by a loooong shot.

Agreed

Although I have had cars in the Past, like my Magna's driving lights for example (55w Spread beam lense) which had them and they were no brighter the headlights, they pointed down and to the side illuminating a patch in front of the car about 2 metres.

I once got pulled over by a cop for having them on, he said to me

"You know why I pulled you over?"

No

"Because your driving lights dazzled me"

He then asked why it had taken me so long to pull over, to which I replied

"Because your Blue Flashing lights were dazzling me!"

[AlexinPerth]

The VT/VX commodore ones actually didn't meet australian standards, but Holden got away with it.

Alex.

[dewy]

Good to hear your government put in the rules against this, but good luck even getting one copper to do anything about it, up here in newcastle every 3rd car drives with them on day and night, worst is 4wds, foresters, and commodores and the odd skyline. No one seems to care about them, dude from my school who drives mummy and daddies bmw like he doing a hot lap on the 'ring constantly brags about how coppers just walk past him or give him a friendly warning (not no fine) to turn his driving lights off, I was please to hear when he drove over a garden box in a car park and smashed the f(((ers off.
Had it so much with these that when ever I see one I turn my high beams on, they never get the hint tho

[oldcorollas]

gumbyment should mandate "covers" for all driving lights unless in use..

of course then ppl will complain that they have to get out and remove said covers in poor visibility conditions... or some crap

it seems too much to ask that people refrain from blinding other road users.. or that roadworthy inspections actually check what fuckin direction the headlights are pointing

[TonyL]

:knock::knock::knock:

care to define 'fog light' then?

[Andrew Bolt]

My plan is to shine a laser in their eyes. That'll fuckn learn'em.

[Sicarius123]

Good to hear your government put in the rules against this, but good luck even getting one copper to do anything about it, up here in newcastle every 3rd car drives with them on day and night, worst is 4wds, foresters, and commodores and the odd skyline. No one seems to care about them, dude from my school who drives mummy and daddies bmw like he doing a hot lap on the 'ring constantly brags about how coppers just walk past him or give him a friendly warning (not no fine) to turn his driving lights off, I was please to hear when he drove over a garden box in a car park and smashed the f(((ers off.
Had it so much with these that when ever I see one I turn my high beams on, they never get the hint tho

They definately never get the hint, because they don't even realise they're doing it. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who never even turned it on, it's been on since they bought the car.

[Speedyblue]

if you could submit photos to bust people for foglights and mobile phone etc, i'd be for it

Using a mobile, or a function of a mobile (ie camera) while driving is 3 points and $225 in QLD. I took a pic of a motorist doing something wrong, who just happened to be a copper. That is how I know.

[MartyHusseinXF]

care to define 'fog light' then?

It's been done for me:

"if you can turn them on when your high beam isn't on then your car is either wired incorrectly or they are fog lights."

You think the extra lights look good - amirite?

I don't mind people using them because it rarely annoys me and it indicates to me, wether im on my bike or in my car, that the person driving the car is a Grade A retard who should be avoided at all costs.

[MickyD]

What are Fog Lamps Really For?
A good fog lamp produces a wide, bar-shaped beam of light with a sharp horizontal cutoff (dark above, bright below) at the top of the beam, and minimal upward light above the cutoff. Almost all factory-installed or dealer-optional fog lamps, and a great many aftermarket units, are essentially useless for any purpose, especially for extremely demanding poor-weather driving. Many of them are too small to produce enough light to make a difference, produce beam patterns too narrow to help, lack a sufficiently-sharp cutoff, and throw too much glare light into the eyes of other drivers, no matter how they're aimed.
Good (and legal) fog lamps produce white or Selective Yellow light, and use tungsten-halogen bulbs. Xenon or HID bulbs are inherently unsuitable for use in fog lamps, and blue or other-colored lights are also the wrong choice.
The fog lamps' job is to show you the edges of the road, the lane markings, and the immediate foreground. When used in combination with the headlamps, good fog lamps weight the overall beam pattern towards the foreground so that even though there may be a relatively high level of upward stray light from the headlamps causing glareback from the fog or falling rain or snow, there will be more foreground light than usual without a corresponding increase in upward stray light, giving back some of the vision you lose to precipitation.
When used without headlamps in conditions of extremely poor visibility due to snow, fog or heavy rain, good fog lamps light the foreground and the road edges only, so you can see your way safely at reduced speeds.
In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".
US-DOT headlamps have historically tended to provide relatively low, arguably inadequate levels of light in the foreground and to the sides. Many US DOT headlamps have what seems to be a "black hole" in front of the car, with essentially the entire beam concentrated in a narrow band or ball of light thrown into the distance. With headlamps like these, a decent argument can be made for the use of fog lamps to fill the "black hole", that is, to add-back the missing foreground and lateral-spread light when driving at moderate speeds on dark and/or twisty roads. Of course, lamps to rectify inadequate foreground light must be thoughtfully and carefully selected, correctly aimed and properly used. Otherwise, they're useless at best and dangerous at worst.
In some places, the law prohibits the use of fog lamps without the low beam headlamps also being on. Whether or not this is the case where you drive, it's vital to realize that fog lamp beams, by definition, have a much shorter reach than headlamp beams. If you drive in conditions foul enough to call for the use of fog lamps without headlamps, it's essential to have good fog lamps that are up to the task and are properly aimed, and it's imperative that you slow down because even with high-performance fog lamps, you can't see as far with fog lamps and in poor weather as you can with headlamps and in clear weather.
If the road is wet or slick with ice, but there's no falling precipitation, fog lamps should be used with discretion. Their extra downward light can help compensate for the tendency of water to "soak up" the light on the road from your headlamps. But, this extra downward light hitting a road surface shiny with water or ice will also create high levels of reflected glare for other drivers. Since we're all "other drivers" to everybody else on the road, it's well to think of roadway safety as a cooperative effort. In most driving situations, fog lamps are neither useful nor necessary, but more people use their fog lamps when the prevailing conditions don't call for their use, than use them when the conditions do call for their use. Nobody thinks your car is cool because it has fog lamps, and glare is dangerous, so do yourself and everyone a favor: choose them carefully, aim them properly, use them thoughtfully, and leave them off except when they're genuinely necessary.

[piss98]

I think some of you cunts need a new hobby! Fuck me!

How long before you all call for a law to ban Frangipani stickers on hatch backs cos they piss you off?

Seriously 99.9% of extra lights people drive around with on do fuck all in terms of glare, brightness etc so I am struggling with the "won't someone think of the children " attitude towards.

For the record yes my car has foggies/driving lights whatever you call them. No I don't turn them on for "the look" but will turn them on in low arvo light, rain etc as I figure the retards I share the roads with need as much help as they can get! (although I did get busted in CBD one day by 2 PF'ers with them inadvertently on as I did not realise I had flicked the swicth - oh the shame!)

[Gats]

I think some of you cunts need a new hobby! Fuck me!

How long before you all call for a law to ban Frangipani stickers on hatch backs cos they piss you off?

Seriously 99.9% of extra lights people drive around with on do fuck all in terms of glare, brightness etc so I am struggling with the "won't someone think of the children " attitude towards.

For the record yes my car has foggies/driving lights whatever you call them. No I don't turn them on for "the look" but will turn them on in low arvo light, rain etc as I figure the retards I share the roads with need as much help as they can get! (although I did get busted in CBD one day by 2 PF'ers with them inadvertently on as I did not realise I had flicked the swicth - oh the shame!)

x2

i cant recall ever being dazzled/blinded/raped by a pair of fog lights on a commodore or another other car. the front ones never bother me, the rear ones are a bit annoying, but they're not that much brighter than the brakelights anyway.

poorly aimed headlights, or HID's shining my direction are much more of a cunt than some dodgy little lights on a front bumper

[perthdrivers.txt]

Cool, so the loophole for "turning lights" is still there then?