GM faces rapid collapse without aid

[itsnotagsr]

Where would Holden be without the LS1 if GM went down????

[psi999]

Where would Holden be without the LS1 if GM went down????

Knocking on Nissan's front door for a VK56

[kabab]

Where would Holden be without the LS1 if GM went down????

If GM went down the production line would be up for sale, could be quiet a profitable thing to own.

Complete production lines are resold all the time.

[Dave]

Knocking on Nissan's front door for a VK56

don't need no fucking truck engine to power ze holdens

b.t.w. ze is a cunt face

[fly510]

don't need no fucking truck engine to power ze holdens

b.t.w. ze is a cunt face

what, you dont need an (alleged) truck motor to replace the truck motor already there.

[rj_astra]

the opening left in the market will hopefully let brands like tesla have a bigger share..

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla vanishes in the near future.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,5071471.story
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/bu...qlTQKBwKRYvPDA

[Billzilla]

Knocking on Nissan's front door for a VK56

If they did that, I'd even consider buying a Commode. *



* Not really.

[perthdrivers.txt]

That's crap, the M5 costs 50,000 pounds in England, yet $220,000 here, that's not the Government, that's BMW. This is a small market, they will only send X amount here a year, so they put it at a price that will sell that X amount. Because of this they are then placed in the luxury car bracket, and are then taxed.

BMW, Lexus, Mercs and Audi's are considered top end brands here, where in Germany (except Lexus) they are used as Taxi's, so they jack the price up in Australia to keep it that way.

Alright so using BENN0's numbers theres a demand for 75,000 V8 cars per year in Aus - you seriously dont think BMW, Lexus, MB and whoever the fuck else wouldnt trim margins on top of getting better economies of scale to fill that gap?

BTW i jumped on the Toyota japan site to see what sort of car you could compare with a Commodore/Falcon

* The Mark X is RWD, 3L V6 with 190kw and 6-sp auto standard, list price in Japan (using pre-crap exchange rates) is ~$35k

* The Crown Athlete is a RWD, 6 spd auto (not sure if theres a manual) 3.5L V6 in standard form with 232kw, with optional factory supercharger for 265kw/500nm, has all the fruit including leather interior if you want and weighs around 1700kg - in Japan list price (using pre-crap exchange rates) around $40-50k

* The Nissan japan website shows at least half a dozen models (not even counting variants) 6 and 8 cyl that would be roughly equivalent to Falcon/Commodore, i cbf trawling though pages of Klingon to dig out the specs but they are there

[Buck Nasty]

Alright so using BENN0's numbers theres a demand for 75,000 V8 cars in Aus - you seriously dont think BMW, Lexus, MB and whoever the fuck else wouldnt trim margins on top of getting better economies of scale to fill that gap?

BMW have much larger markets around the world they'd prefer to sell the M5 in besides Australia (try Germany, England, America etc..), so therefore Australia is only alocated a certain amount each year (same as the M3). Because of this, the price is set at a rate which allows the supply to not outstrip demand ie, if only 100 are imported a year, and there are 100 people willing to buy them at $220,000ea, then sell them at $220,000ea, if they try and sell them for $230,000 they might only sell 98 of them. That's very basic but it's very much like what Holden has done with the W427.

How would you be if you just bought a new M5 for $220,000 (mind you I'm only using this figure, they're probably around $240,000), and 6 months down the road BMW turned around and said "right we're selling the M5 in Australia for $45,000 to fill the void of no more Commodores and Falcons", you'd be wanting someones head!

BTW i jumped on the Toyota japan site to see what sort of car you could compare with a Commodore/Falcon

* The Mark X is RWD, 3L V6 with 190kw and 6-sp auto standard, sells in Japan (using pre-crap exchange rates) for ~$35k

* The Crown Athlete is a RWD, 6 spd auto (not sure if theres a manual) 3.5L V6 in standard form with 232kw, with optional factory supercharger for 265kw/500nm, has all the fruit including leather interior if you want and weighs around 1700kg - in Japan these go for (using pre-crap exchange rates) around $40-50k

* The Nissan japan website shows at least half a dozen models (not even counting variants) 6 and 8 cyl that would be roughly equivalent to Falcon/Commodore, i cbf trawling though pages of Klingon to dig out the specs but they are there

Um, see how much they'll be after they've been Aus complienced + freight, good chance you'd have to add $10,000 - $20,000 per car as any modifications (like side intrusion bars) have to be added on the production line, this costs bulk dollars (to upgrade the production lines) and is therefore passed onto the end buyer. Wouldn't be worth the R&D for the small sales they'd get here.

[perthdrivers.txt]

I guess we'll never know as i very much doubt Falcon/Commodore will suddenly disappear, but my point is to say no other manufacturers make cars roughly equivalent in specs and price to them is crap

[jambo]

I guess we'll never know as i very much doubt Falcon/Commodore will suddenly disappear, but my point is to say no other manufacturers make cars roughly equivalent in specs and price to them is crap

Do they do a ute?

[Peter...]

They're japanese, they can do ANYTHING!

[Captain_Slow]

Do you have the dimensions for any of those cars?

[rj_astra]

If Toyota/Nissan thought they could make a dollar out of selling those barges here then they would.

[edo]

Tata could build us 75000 cheap Jags within about 6 weeks I suspect...they could bash out a few Landrover utes if neccessary too.

Dont be surprised if Tata are eyeing off the scraps of at least one of these three.