You know that point in a car project...

[Cal]

how many Jap V12's have ever been built? Oh yeah, just that one.

Road cars maybe, but Honda have been building V12 F1 engines since 1966.

[Norbie]

I meant the older ones, like that purple "VIP" convertible on here.

OK, but no-one else was talking about that. Edo specifically mentioned my Century which is a current generation V12.

And if those are the criteria for desirable cars, I guess we better start saving blah blah blah obscure cars I don't like

I'm not sure how this turned into a pissing contest about which cars are more "interesting" than other cars, but my central point was that a stock 190E isn't rare or unusual enough to be unique and doesn't have enough speed/acceleration/handling to be interesting. I don't think many people would consider this a controversial view, certainly not Clayto who is apparently perfectly content pulling his 190E to bits and discarding large chunks of it.

[Norbie]

Road cars maybe, but Honda have been building V12 F1 engines since 1966.

Haha, I was waiting for it. Thankyou, Captain Pedant.

[Marv]

What are the other costs of the conversion above the $9k listed before? Engine mounts? Customised sump? Engineering? Exhaust? Front-mount? Fuel pump/system?

Sure, the Juanjay will be cheaper per kW, but I think just buying the half-cut and calling it a day is a bit optimistic...?

I'm not sure how this turned into a pissing contest about which cars are more "interesting" than other cars, but my central point was that a stock 190E isn't rare or unusual enough to be unique and doesn't have enough speed/acceleration/handling to be interesting. I don't think many people would consider this a controversial view, certainly not Clayto who is apparently perfectly content pulling his 190E to bits and discarding large chunks of it.

So would you put a supercharged 454 Chev (or something large, heavy and powerful) in your Supra? To me, it is a similar argument.

I'm not arguing that a 190E deserves to be put in a museum (not even an Evo1/2 Cossie), though. I am saying that a worked Merc 6 would have some appeal to the people who like weird shit (like me).

[Andrew Bolt]

Turbo the Century you buffoon!:rotflol:

[Norbie]

So would you put a supercharged 454 Chev (or something large, heavy and powerful) in your Supra? To me, it is a similar argument.

If this was the only cost-effective way to get the power/fasts I wanted, then hell yes I would. And because the Supra is "just" a Supra (ie there were millions made just like it so who gives a shit what you do with it) I'd have no qualms about shoving a non-Toyota engine in it.

I'm not arguing that a 190E deserves to be put in a museum (not even an Evo1/2 Cossie), though. I am saying that a worked Merc 6 would have some appeal to the people who like weird shit (like me).

No, it appeals to brand purists. There's all kinds of "weird shit" you can do which offers better performance for less money. Hence this thread.

Turbo the Century you buffoon!:rotflol:

Give me a bazillion dollars and I'll do it!

[Cal]

Haha, I was waiting for it. Thankyou, Captain Pedant.

Sorry Capt sandy vag, but you were making a point and it was wrong. I don't even know if the Japs have made another road going V12 or not.

[psi999]

What are the other costs of the conversion above the $9k listed before? Engine mounts? Customised sump? Engineering? Exhaust? Front-mount? Fuel pump/system?

i'll quote it for you again.....

JZ engine:
- 1jzgte 5speed cut (30 day warranty)+exhaust+clutch+intercooler+radiator - $9k - 300rwhp

(again these figures are rough - cant remember specifics but we did spend a number of hours compiling)

Sure, the Juanjay will be cheaper per kW, but I think just buying the half-cut and calling it a day is a bit optimistic...?
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9k was the comparatively installed / running price... not the price of the cut as you've assumed.

[TJ]

What are the other costs of the conversion above the $9k listed before? Engine mounts? Customised sump? Engineering? Exhaust? Front-mount? Fuel pump/system?

Sure, the Juanjay will be cheaper per kW, but I think just buying the half-cut and calling it a day is a bit optimistic...?

A 1j manual cut at most should be 5k - it will custom engine mounts which is something Clayton should be able to manage, a tailshaft (mine cost me 300 bucks back in 2006 and I doubt they have gone up in price majorly) a fuel pump. an exhaust, and a cooler and some piping though he might luck out and be able to use 90% of the factory cooler piping.

He should be able to get away with the conversion for around 6-7k imho.

[Cal]

I know very little about autoelectrics, but isn't this area going to be a head fuck on something like this?

[psi999]

I know very little about autoelectrics, but isn't this area going to be a head fuck on something like this?

1/2J are pretty easy to wire up cal

2 looms plug into the ECU - complete engine loom (one single loom, no other shit) & body loom

couple of wires off the body loom into existing merc electrics then engine earth/s, positive to battery, alternator charge, starter solenoid and you are away.

It really is that simple (for a manual g/b engine)

tacho/speedo will require a bit more reasearch (Merc Vs Toyota).

[tim510]

not really cal, a bit of fiddling - nothing crazy

Clayo already has a fancy speedo/tacho which can be made to work with any engine...

[Gammaboy]

I know very little about autoelectrics, but isn't this area going to be a head fuck on something like this?

Nah, neither car is italian, or a kit car.

[tremolo]

Nah, neither car is italian, or a kit car.

I had the dash off my 147 the other week & was looking at the fuse diagram in the manual...it didn't actually match the fuse box.

[TJ]

Lol