E85 for and against

[rj_astra]

Don't leaner than 14.7:1 ratios lead to higher combustion temps and therefore a rise in NOX emissions?

[jmac]

I'd surmise (and happily stand corrected) that the rise in NOx emissions comes about just as much from the fact that with less petrol in there to burn, there's actually some oxygen left than can be used for combustion of Nitrogen??? rather than peak temps per se.

It's one of those things that irks me about peak oil alarmists. If there was any truth to it, then the goal should be improved bfsc, so less fuel is used per hp produced, worldwide, so we won't run out as quickly. And 'be damned' the effects of NOx emissions

[jmac]

I'd surmise (and happily stand corrected) that the rise in NOx emissions comes about just as much from the fact that with less petrol in there to burn, there's actually some oxygen left than can be used for combustion of Nitrogen??? rather than peak temps per se.

It's one of those things that irks me about peak oil alarmists. If there was any truth to it, then the goal should be improved bfsc, so less fuel is used per hp produced, worldwide, so we won't run out as quickly. And 'be damned' the effects of NOx emissions

[Coffin]

You might have to go through to someone called Katrina to get it done. I'll hunt for a better number when I get back to work tomorrow.

That would be awesome .... probably at least a month or so away from getting it to Dalecunt, need the hilux in first

[Dave]

Adrian, you got a hookup for Manildra in Brisbane, they seem to have a depot up here.

[2rismo]

Here's who you need to speak to, guys. (You too, Dave as well as anyone anywhere in Australia). She's always the one I speak to for my orders and she's super-efficient.

Katrina Spencer
Ethanol Division
Manildra Group

Ph: 02 8863 6286
Fax: 02 8863 6289

[Dave]

super service!

Cheers.

[2rismo]

Please bear in mind that she is an administrator and not a technical resource. No tuning questions please.

[trent from punchy]

whats it go for at the pump?
nothing near $2pl right?

[Dave]

if you can get it at the pump.

Most places are selling barrels of it for $500-550

[rj_astra]

It's one of those things that irks me about peak oil alarmists. If there was any truth to it, then the goal should be improved bfsc, so less fuel is used per hp produced, worldwide, so we won't run out as quickly. And 'be damned' the effects of NOx emissions

I suppose that depends if you want to live in cities where smog would be much worse. It's the argument against more widespread use of diesel for passenger cars.

[jmac]

To which I'd reply (and I won't go off topic any further I promise) that the 'real' crisis, if there ever was one, would be of sheer population. Reduce or cap the population, and hey presto we aren't capable of overtaxing natural resources. And that's where it gets really fishy. You see, carbon trading and the like will likely only ever be pushed hard against 3rd world countries (unless anyone really sees china and the US coming to the party fully) and it prevents their economic growth and prosperity. The weird thing there is that there is a fairly significant inverse correlation with economic prosperity and population - i.e. impoverished shitholes tend to have the biggest family sizes and population growth. Let them develop their country (ostensibly more emissions short term) and lower birth/population rate and _overall_ in fact less pollution potentially, due to more realistically viable population worldwide....

Metho, it's not just for drinking.

[jmac]

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[exwrxex]

What is the effect on emissions using this stuff?

ie hypothetically speaking, if one's single turbo LS1 were to be defected on emissions grounds, would converting to E85 be a simple way for the problem to go away?

[robevo]

Im using it in the street lancer and its awesome!!!! compared to c16 its heaps better and is not $8.00 a litre.
I have done 2000ks on the stuff and no probs yet.
The car sits in the garage up to 3 weeks before getting fired up, and when it does it fires up straight away