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    Originally posted by bpm View Post
    That’s a sure way to get reamed for anything they can think up
    hey your stock tow vehicle doesn’t look stock. How about an emissions test
    They’re free, aren’t they?
    I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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      Yeah, after you drive to botany and fail

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        What I’m saying is the cops have fuck all without all these admissions. They write what you say on the back of their copy of the ticket and use it against you at court. I’d lead with, “Sorry officer, I’m not feeling real well, I’m just towing a car, am I free to go” and just stick with that kind of theme
        I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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          Fair enough, I get that. I took it as “fuck you cop, no comment”

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            Nah, that would be unwise. Answer all their questions with, “I don’t want to be a pain but I also don’t want say the wrong thing. Do I have to answer these questions?” And “I have to pick my kids up soon, are you allowed to just not let me leave while you make these enquiries”

            Fun one I’ve seen is “Can I grab a pen out of the car” and then keep looking at your watch and write random numbers on the back of your hand haha
            Last edited by ALLMTR; 20-01-20, 09:29 PM.
            I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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              If real life cop shows have taught me anything its the people who can't shut up are the ones up to no good.

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                Cop shows have taught me that if your response to simple questions like "so who owns this car and where are you towing it?" is "DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO GO CATCH SOME REAL CRIMINALS I'M JUST AN AUSSIE BATTLER RAH RAH RAH..." etc, you're going to get the book thrown at you even if you aren't intentionally up to no good. Likewise refusing to answer their questions will also piss them off if it means they have to drag you down to the station or do 10x as much paperwork when you could have just told them either the truth or a white lie to dismiss their enquiry.

                Originally posted by ALLMTR View Post
                Answer all their questions with, “I don’t want to be a pain but I also don’t want say the wrong thing. Do I have to answer these questions?” And “I have to pick my kids up soon, are you allowed to just not let me leave while you make these enquiries”
                Answer to those questions is Yes, and No respectively, achieving nothing for your situation and pissing them off by wasting their time. At least 50% of questions asked on the road side by police are just to gauge if you're dodgy and worth putting in the time to investigate further, because the officer already knows the answer with 99% certainty or can easily find out by making an inquiry. E.g. how they ask "anything to drink tonight?" immediately before administering a breath test. It's not like they will put the machine away if you answer 'no', the question is to gauge how dodgy you are if your answer conflicts what they know with 99% certainty (the machine result). Presumably if you're towing a shit box with a trailer held on by #8 fencing wire, you're probably not in a hurry to pick up your kids anyway so telling them things like that in that particular situation would just raise red flags. Likewise saying that you don't want to speak because you might accidentally incriminate yourself implies that you yourself believe that what you're doing might be dodgy. Better off just telling them what they want to hear (the truth) and if you're going to pull the wool over their eyes, make sure your story sounds like the truth and cannot be conflicted by further enquiries.

                Old mate with the Cruiser who got reamed clearly already had about 5 or 6 dodgy things to catch the cops attention before opening their mouth, so straight up admitting fault to the most obvious ones and hoping the rest weren't spotted probably would have been the best plan of attack for them. Sounds like they went with the 'fuck pigs' approach anyway so the police left no stone unturned...
                Last edited by TMM; 21-01-20, 01:51 AM.

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                  Originally posted by South View Post
                  Bulks instances of NSW Police doing this lately... XMAS party budget would have been huge, now I suppose they need an Aussie day party budget!
                  Originally posted by South View Post
                  Would not matter one bit how you treated them, they'd still go to town on you for a ~$4k fine... they've got bonuses to make under the table, right?
                  I'm honestly surprised to see this comment here. The guy was clearly a full blown derro. He kicked out his own fucking taillight. If I was a betting man I'd say it happened much earlier in the interaction than the story suggests.
                  His shitbox cars and towing set-up deserve all of those fines.
                  Originally posted by ALLMTR View Post
                  Nah, that would be unwise. Answer all their questions with, “I don’t want to be a pain but I also don’t want say the wrong thing. Do I have to answer these questions?” And “I have to pick my kids up soon, are you allowed to just not let me leave while you make these enquiries”
                  Originally posted by ALLMTR View Post
                  Fun one I’ve seen is “Can I grab a pen out of the car” and then keep looking at your watch and write random numbers on the back of your hand haha

                  I agree 100% with the sentiment of not providing more information than you need to during a road-side stop but the above is the wrong mix of deliberately evasive and lacking awareness. It would be more suited for an interrogation room while you are waiting for representation, not answering questions about what you have been doing in the 30 minutes prior to a road-side trailer inspection or after you get pulled over for speeding.


                  Originally posted by TMM View Post
                  Answer to those questions is Yes, and No respectively, achieving nothing for your situation and pissing them off by wasting their time. At least 50% of questions asked on the road side by police are just to gauge if you're dodgy and worth putting in the time to investigate further, because the officer already knows the answer with 99% certainty or can easily find out by making an inquiry. E.g. how they ask "anything to drink tonight?" immediately before administering a breath test. It's not like they will put the machine away if you answer 'no', the question is to gauge how dodgy you are if your answer conflicts what they know with 99% certainty (the machine result). Presumably if you're towing a shit box with a trailer held on by #8 fencing wire, you're probably not in a hurry to pick up your kids anyway so telling them things like that in that particular situation would just raise red flags. Likewise saying that you don't want to speak because you might accidentally incriminate yourself implies that you yourself believe that what you're doing might be dodgy. Better off just telling them what they want to hear (the truth) and if you're going to pull the wool over their eyes, make sure your story sounds like the truth and cannot be conflicted by further enquiries.

                  QFT.
                  Will you ever get a HWY guy who just wants to ruin your night no matter what? Sure. But sometimes people at the pub are gonna pick a fight with you no matter what either. The odds are generally quite low unless you are already known to police.
                  Last edited by The Panda; 21-01-20, 10:55 AM.

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                    Originally posted by TMM View Post
                    Cop shows have taught me that if your response to simple questions like "so who owns this car and where are you towing it?" is "DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO GO CATCH SOME REAL CRIMINALS I'M JUST AN AUSSIE BATTLER RAH RAH RAH..." etc, you're going to get the book thrown at you even if you aren't intentionally up to no good. Likewise refusing to answer their questions will also piss them off if it means they have to drag you down to the station or do 10x as much paperwork when you could have just told them either the truth or a white lie to dismiss their enquiry.


                    Answer to those questions is Yes, and No respectively, achieving nothing for your situation and pissing them off by wasting their time. At least 50% of questions asked on the road side by police are just to gauge if you're dodgy and worth putting in the time to investigate further, because the officer already knows the answer with 99% certainty or can easily find out by making an inquiry. E.g. how they ask "anything to drink tonight?" immediately before administering a breath test. It's not like they will put the machine away if you answer 'no', the question is to gauge how dodgy you are if your answer conflicts what they know with 99% certainty (the machine result). Presumably if you're towing a shit box with a trailer held on by #8 fencing wire, you're probably not in a hurry to pick up your kids anyway so telling them things like that in that particular situation would just raise red flags. Likewise saying that you don't want to speak because you might accidentally incriminate yourself implies that you yourself believe that what you're doing might be dodgy. Better off just telling them what they want to hear (the truth) and if you're going to pull the wool over their eyes, make sure your story sounds like the truth and cannot be conflicted by further enquiries.

                    Old mate with the Cruiser who got reamed clearly already had about 5 or 6 dodgy things to catch the cops attention before opening their mouth, so straight up admitting fault to the most obvious ones and hoping the rest weren't spotted probably would have been the best plan of attack for them. Sounds like they went with the 'fuck pigs' approach anyway so the police left no stone unturned...
                    So much wrong here.

                    I never said yelling at them was a good idea, actually implied it was a bad one.
                    You don’t need to answer their questions.
                    They can’t “drag you down to the station”, that’d be an unlawful arrest.
                    They ask “Have you had anything to drink tonight” because they are required to by law. It’s to establish if you have mouth alcohol present and whether you should be given the opportunity to wait for 15 minutes before doing the test, if you so wish.
                    The whole “got things to do” is to put the onus back on him that he needs to justify every minute he’s detaining you.

                    If you quietly, calmly say, “Look, you obviously know the towing laws better than me so I’d rather say nothing, am I allowed to go now”, what do you think the cops next move is? “Get on the ground, get on the ground, stop resisting, stop resisting”, Bang, Bang?
                    I own a two and a half litre Commodore

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                      re the last bit: If you're in Victoria, maybe.....
                      .... because every driver experiences the destructive potential of the effortless surge of power available through the smallest of body movements.

                      Dr Hoon
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                      DrNick is king!!!! No, Mark Webber is now! Long live the king!... hold on a minute mate, Ricci is in charge now

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                        Yeah, maybe 10 years ago before the softcocks took over.

                        Simple way to fail the attitude test, innocent or otherwise, is to be a non-compliant, argumentative fuckwit.
                        Originally posted by brewdles
                        In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                          Originally posted by ALLMTR View Post
                          You don’t need to answer their questions.
                          In most circumstances, legally you don't have to. However, there are only 2 possible reasons I can think of why someone wouldn't answer a simple question posed by an officer:
                          1. They're guilty
                          2. They have a problem with police and are refusing to answer the question just to spite the officer.

                          Both drag out the enquiry and in the case that the officer can't work out the truth without admission but believe that the suspect is guilty, they will likely look for some other offence(s) to nab them for to settle the score. Likewise if the officer does work out the truth by their own further enquiries (taking significant time/effort), regardless of the outcome they might feel there is still a score to settle. Obviously attitude comes in to it and the time that it takes for them to investigate. If it only takes them 10 seconds to look something up on their system it is going to elicit a different response versus a 3 hour roadside investigation as a result of the suspect being uncooperative. The former, they might just be annoyed and let you go. The latter they might spend the whole rest of the evening digging up every piece of dirt they can and making your life hell.

                          Just ask yourself how you would treat people at your place of work if they were uncooperative on purpose and made you do extra work. End of the day, police are people doing a job and if they think you're trying to make their day shit they are going to make sure you have a shit one too. If you make their life easy they might not have a reason to dig deeper. I'm not saying that is the way it should work, but in a lot of cases it is the way it does work, at least where I'm from.

                          Originally posted by ALLMTR View Post
                          The whole “got things to do” is to put the onus back on him that he needs to justify every minute he’s detaining you.
                          Well they aren't going to just let you just drive away if they believe there is something wrong with your vehicle or an offence has been committed and are in the process of investigating it. In the nanny states of victoria police can legally keep you pulled over and detained without a court order for "a reasonable amount of time" which could be up to 48hours or until the court re-opens afaik... If your aim is to waste their time, they are the ones holding all the cards. Suddenly, being an innocent sea hunt doesn't seem worth it.
                          Last edited by TMM; 27-01-20, 12:32 AM.

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                            You do realise who you're replying to, yeah?
                            Originally posted by Marlin
                            Chickens will slip under water in the cover of darkness like a seal team and FUCK YOU UP.

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                              Lol.

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                                But is he wearing his hat?
                                Originally posted by brewdles
                                In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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