Kids in stolen car kills innocent motorist

[jambo]

Corporate buzzword thread is next door mate

[jmac]

Nash - your comparison is ridiculous - to try and make out that crime rates in the US are BECAUSE of harsher penalties. God help us all if that passes your litmus test. If that's a fair comparison, then I'll up the ante and use Somalia and a lack of any law enforcement at the other end of teh spectrum - it is worse than anywhere in teh US therefore harsher penalties are the way to go.


You might want to dig a bit deeper before you do the hand wringing 'rehabilitation' chant. That applies not to sociopaths. They have no conscience, and they can't develop one any more than they can grow a third arm. That's fact.

We AREN'T talking about some minor crime, or one with mitigating circumstances whereby it's a genuine case of someone 'fucking up' rather than being an out and out piece of shit.

And where would it apply more strongly than a bloke who steals a car, has two young impressionable kids on board, and is clearly happy to influence them in the wrong direction. To top that off, rather than cop what would almost certainly be a community based sentence, nope he happily went out and acted so irresponsibly that he (almost inevitably) killed someone.

You are fucken dreaming if you think that this person will go on to become a pillar of the community. Worse still - most hardened crims (even the young ones) after dpoing some time realise what a joke prison actually is in this country, just how easy it is, and what complete pushovers the social workers and other do gooders are, and they milk it for all it is worth.

So by all means delude yourself and think that people with no respect for life (other than their own) deserve to be given a life of luxury and priveledge, and honest decent hard workin people can be killed, and hey 'fuck them' ay - no big deal, we need to hug the 'real' victim, the murderer themself.

Give me a fucken break.

You're trying to make out it's a holisitic approach, but it's more like a 'lets find any reason to avoid the hard choices - namely acknowledging that some people aren't redeemable and the ONLY rational response is to make the consquences for their criminal acts bad enough that the selfish turds begrudgingly decide it's not worth it to do the crime. And for those that are worse still - who are completely beyond any sort of rehabilitation (I've mentioned Gary Narkle on this forum a few times, if _only_ we had executed him, there'd be a shocking number of victims who would be living carefree lives today, rather than living as survivors of horrific attacks by him.) well for those people - if we don't have capital punishment (and I'm willing to accept that many are against it ) then you'd surely have to have the option of life without parole, purely to protect the public.

Let's get real here, we aren't talking about some 12 year old who in an uncharacteristicly ill conceived moment knocked off a bottle of milk from the neighbours doorstep and will go on (if not soon thereafter, at least as they become adults) realise it was wrong, and won't endeavour to engage on an ever more serious spiral of escalation of criminal activity. We are talking about the filth, the low lifes, the scum.

Culture of super criminals, puhleez. The guy (in my opinion, and likely that of some other people too) has murdered another human being. I think it is beyond manslaughter. I'd consider it manslaughter if he was just hooning around in the car (in the original sense of the word, not it's current political football sexed up usage) and hit someone, it'd be a case of 'well he knew driving a bit silly like that might put some at risk, but he probably never thought he'd actually kill someone' - so maybe manslaughter applies. But this cunt, and just to avoid a slap on the wrist, chose to drive in as dangerous a manner as possible, just to try and force the hand of the pursuers to call off the pursuit... In my book that's definite intent right there.

I'll go a step further - stolen cars (which doesn't lead to a fatality or even a chase) where they damage and or burn it. Well I experienced that. Over 2 grand damage to the interior alone. To say nothing of the motor and drivetrain. I spent some considerable time restoring the fucking thing, to get it back practically destroyed. And the little cunts were laughing in their interviews trying to make out that the interior was all like that when they 'borrowed' it.

If you only knew the fucken hours I sacrificed - working a second (shitty) job for the money to do it, and how I'd have 'burning' eyes from lack of sleep almost every day, and the practically zero social life due to the extra job meaning I just had no time for it, and then any spare time I did have actually doing the work on the fucking thing. It's something you just can't put a value on, and it probably shortened my lifespan, in all seriousness, the stress I put my body through just to do it. And what would they get - a few hours community service? A suspended sentence?

why SHOULDN'T they at least serve a custodial sentence that is a legitimate approximation of the hours of my life I lost working the second job, working on the car, even the hours working the 'first' job feeling like I was going to collapse some days due to chronic lack of sleep? Tell me more about how they need education.

I realise the criminal justice couldn't possibly be a full eye for an eye proposition, but for fucks sake it needs to be more realistic.

Nash I seriously hope nobody in your family is a victim of a serious crime, but in all seriousness, it's hard to have something like that happen (and I'm not up for discussing some of my own experiences here fwiw) and NOT have a different take on justice.

[cheapracer]

Knee jerk reactions and subjective ideas of what "justice" entails do not help a society reduce its crime rate. Sticking a relatively docile idiot who was convicted of a crime into a violent prison environment for years and years and then releasing them out into the public is not going to lead to ideal results. After a few months, the shock of being in such a shit hole wears off and they get used to it. .

Works in China.

Firstly the driver would be executed here, no doubt about it and problem solved forever - very cheap too.

Others would be put into a real prison (watch "Midnight Express" but without the drugs), not the fucking pseudo hotels Oz has - "shithole" is a misnomer.

But mostly knowing how bad criminals get treated in Chinese Prisons besides the death penalty (no sitting on death row holiday for 10 years either) there is simply less criminals and thats the key right there.

[cheapracer]

Let's get real here, we aren't talking about some 12 year old who in an uncharacteristicly ill conceived moment knocked off a bottle of milk from the neighbours doorstep

Recently I went to the local cop shop here and noticed 2 young blokes handcuffed together back to back sitting on the concrete in the car park, probably about 14 or 15 one was crying - sure just that alone would scare the shit out of them and change their ways.

Can you imagine that happening in Oz? Hell can you imagine 14 or 15 year olds getting handcuffed even .... fuck left wing egalitarianistic cunts.

[New Stratos]

Nash - your comparison is ridiculous - to try and make out that crime rates in the US are BECAUSE of harsher penalties. God help us all if that passes your litmus test. If that's a fair comparison, then I'll up the ante and use Somalia and a lack of any law enforcement at the other end of teh spectrum - it is worse than anywhere in teh US therefore harsher penalties are the way to go.

Let's take it as a given that this whole message belonged in the rants section, and just look at the bit before you really went off. At least this para has something to reply to

"Crime rates are higher because of the penalties"
True, at least in some cases. It's a well documented fact that states in the US with Death Penalties have, on average, more murders. Now you could say. "ah, but that's why they need the Death Penalty". Funny, cos when some of the dropped it, their murder rates went down - notice the use of a time word in there - 'when' ie AFTER they got rid of the Death Penalty, their murder rates declined. The accepted explanation is that if you're going to get the chair for a particular crime you might as well try to eliminate all witnesses, at least that way you might get away with it...

"Somalia has no law enforcement" - not true, it has several layers of it, at least in some areas. Being stoned to death in an arena in front of thousands of onlookers is a form of law enforcement. Not a country I'd like to live in. Harsh law enforcement and high crime rates.

[VE Safari]

Police chase and tune up, US style. I'm all for it.

[Instigator]

:oh: Got a link to the original video or news article?

I'm all for a bit of western style justice but the guy was unconcious in the ditch after a big smash. Dog act bashing the shit out of him like that, cuntox or not.

[TonyJZX]

lol that's awesome

i'm as right leaning as anyone but hey, let's have half a dozen cops beat an unconscious and potentially injured suspect... on camera

i'd probably pay to see that happen this this 22 y.o. fool though

[VE Safari]

:oh: Got a link to the original video or news article?

I'm all for a bit of western style justice but the guy was unconcious in the ditch after a big smash. Dog act bashing the shit out of him like that, cuntox or not.

Frayed knot. It was lifted from a pic of the day thread on another forum.

[VE Safari]

lol that's awesome

i'm as right leaning as anyone but hey, let's have half a dozen cops beat an unconscious and potentially injured suspect... on camera

i'd probably pay to see that happen this this 22 y.o. fool though

fucking bleeding hard liberal. Soft as.

[Fatboy]

I reckon they went too soft on him...

[floody]

Yeah it's fucked up but they didn't get off lightly. .

They're alive, albeit perhaps briefly, innocent party is dead. They did get off lightly.


What is up with the statistics posted a few posts back? Have they just changed the way crimes are classified and reported? No way in hell have car thefts halved, burglaries halved etc.


Agree with comments earlier, these latest scumbags will get the media get out of jail free card.

[TUFGMH]

:oh: Got a link to the original video or news article?

I'm all for a bit of western style justice but the guy was unconcious in the ditch after a big smash. Dog act bashing the shit out of him like that, cuntox or not.

Not good, but trying to kill the cop laying road spikes isn't much better....

[floody]

Sorry, I LOL hard every time I see that crook get flung out the window like laundry out of an opened dryer!

[devo]

What is up with the statistics posted a few posts back? Have they just changed the way crimes are classified and reported? No way in hell have car thefts halved, burglaries halved etc.

the common opinion would also tell you that the road toll is higher than ever when in reality it is half what it was 20 years ago. keep in mind most people get to about mid 30s then start putting on the 10 feet thick rose coloured glasses when remembering what it was like back in the day.