F1 Goes back to Turbos

[XAC15T]

The smaller capacity turbo cars in the 80s would have only revved to about 11-13,000rpm anyway as far as I know.

[9triton]

The smaller capacity turbo cars in the 80s would have only revved to about 11-13,000rpm anyway as far as I know.

yep - and the naturally aspirated 3.5 l were approx the same.

a v6 / v8 will sound better tahn a 4 cyl at same revs diue to the number of pistons firing per rev

The 1988 Formula One season was again dominated by turbocharged engines limited to 2.5 bar and Honda with its RA168E turbo V6 producing 685 hp (511 kW) at 12500 rpm in qualification, this time with McLaren drivers Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost winning all the grands prix except one won by Ferrari with its 033E V6. Just behind, Ford introduced its DFR 3.5 L V8 producing 585 hp (436 kW) at 11000 rpm for Benetton,

20 - 25 years of developement had the naturally aspirated cosworths up at 20,000 rpm - before the rpm limit of 18,000 was introduced .

so i would imaging getting a modern 4cy up to ,say, 16,000+ would be doable with todays knowhow

[The Pupat]

In the long run (ie 5yrs) these engines will be cheaper.

I don't believe so. It'll probably be worse.

Remember it will become an engine package. IE IC motor plus all the KERS assist gear. The money that won't be spent on the IC motor (which won't drop much because they'll still spend every last cent they've got making 1 more hp than anyone else) will be spent on the KERS gear making it better faster lighter.

[BeverlyHillsCop]

I'd like to see no limits run whatever you can dream up racing - fastest wins. No classes no restrictions, no limits.

It's called Superlap/World Time Attack/grip racing :D:rotflol:

[John]

While the rules still seem to be shrouded in secrecy, a few more details are starting to filter out. One thing I thought was very interesting was that it seems that compound turbocharging appears to be have been dropped, but instead the exhaust gas will not only drive a turbo impeller, but also a generator as well, which will be in turn provide power directly to the KERS.

This I reckon is a major shift and something genuinely new. Will require a shitload of engineering to get it to work.

Although I seem to remember maybe as far back as WW2 fighter engines had something like a system which had a turbo directly coupled to the engine through some kind of gearbox. Does anyone know of any system like this? Would work I suppose on a constant running aero engine ok, but obviously a gearing nightmare when you had a load cycle that varies like in a car.

But a fascinating technical requirement that everybody only has 2 years to solve, but one that could genuinely find it's way into road cars one day. Unlike other f1 engine innovations of late, like 19000rpm and rotary valves etc....

[cheapracer]

Not really... a turbo 1600cc 4cyl with 10k limit & strict fuel use guidelines will be a hell of a lot simpler than the current engines.
Electronics will change of course, but itll have minimal development since all teams use the same ECU supplied by the FIA.

In the long run (ie 5yrs) these engines will be cheaper.

1.6, 12,000 rpm, direct injection, flow metered, tank capacity limit and turbo'ed as well as KERS is whats on the plate at the moment.

They will not be cheaper at all because you need to consider that KERS is a part of the package and also turbocompounding comes in in 2014 besides the cost of development to get the best out of the flow metering hurdle.

None of this is set in stone but it's on the table at 95% assurity.

A worry to some that Ferrari hasn't commited to it at all.

[9triton]

Although I seem to remember maybe as far back as WW2 fighter engines had something like a system which had a turbo directly coupled to the engine through some kind of gearbox. Does anyone know of any system like this? Would work I suppose on a constant running aero engine ok, but obviously a gearing nightmare when you had a load cycle that varies like in a car.

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wright turbo compound:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_...Duplex-Cyclone

the lockheed constellation ' connie' that was at the at the avalon airshow has them

detailed shit here :


http://www.enginehistory.org/Wright/TC%20Facts.pdf

[kwottr0]

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A worry to some that Ferrari hasn't commited to it at all.

Boo fucking hoo. Why is this a worry? They'll find some way to cheat, I mean engineer, their way back into the game pretty quick.

[260BC]

Should produce some interesting tech, getting more power out of less fuel and improving engine durability at the same time. If the engines sound OK then not a bad change, be a bit harder to drive too which will mean a Pettel fail.

[devo]

and there I was thinking that f1 was about racing stupidly fast cars when apparently it's about technowankery trying to make racing look dolphin friendly or some shit

[John]

and there I was thinking that f1 was about racing stupidly fast cars when apparently it's about technowankery trying to make racing look dolphin friendly or some shit

Yeah, 700hp in 600kg are really slow shit things eh

[John]

wright turbo compound:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_...Duplex-Cyclone

the lockheed constellation ' connie' that was at the at the avalon airshow has them

detailed shit here :


http://www.enginehistory.org/Wright/TC%20Facts.pdf

cheers, pretty cool things

[Fustrated]

Fast forward to 2016:

F1 ... wasn't that were they raced those gay 4 potters with hair dryers n stuff,
What ever happened to them?

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[devo]

Yeah, 700hp in 600kg are really slow shit things eh

yeh because using an electric motor and a fossil fuel motor makes much more sense performance wise than just using a bigger fossil motor

[cheapracer]

Boo fucking hoo. Why is this a worry? They'll find some way to cheat, I mean engineer, their way back into the game pretty quick.

What ever. Ferrari are 50% of the fan base of F1 or do you still have a B&W TV set?

If you think "cheating" is selective to Ferrari you are one very naive (F1) person.