FT-86 to be named FR-S...

[piss98]

Indeed, 'they' are called Porsche and they'll sell you their equivalent for about $150k or thereabouts.

I'm saying they could have made something equivalent and better than say an S15 for around the same money. They (s14a/s15) were/are OK looking cars, put some wheels and tidy up the ride height and they looked better again. A few cheap mods and it handles and can make bulk more power than stock too. It's not rocket science. I understand Toybaru must have stayed NA to capture the P plater market given they seem to be able to drive 40-50k new cars. But for someone who is looking for the next S15 for example you have to spend bulk on adding a turbo etc as people are doing to make it what it should have been so they are spending the cash anyway but putting the thing pretty near the limit at the same time. Is the 147kw standard on the limits of power to weight rules etc? Why not some more cubes if must be NA?

[tremolo]

Why doesn't it have a fucken TTV12 & 950hp & a 7sp zeroshift box??? I don't understand. Final nail for Toyota imo

It's a $30k car dude, jesus. It's either that or a Civic.

[260BC]

You know that Nissan nearly went broke don't you, with the later S chassis cars losing heaps. Those days are obviously gone, comparing a S14 say to a 86 is pointless.

[Captiva Fan]

I'm saying they could have made something equivalent and better than say an S15 for around the same money. They (s14a/s15) were/are OK looking cars, put some wheels and tidy up the ride height and they looked better again. A few cheap mods and it handles and can make bulk more power than stock too. It's not rocket science. I understand Toybaru must have stayed NA to capture the P plater market given they seem to be able to drive 40-50k new cars. But for someone who is looking for the next S15 for example you have to spend bulk on adding a turbo etc as people are doing to make it what it should have been so they are spending the cash anyway but putting the thing pretty near the limit at the same time. Is the 147kw standard on the limits of power to weight rules etc? Why not some more cubes if must be NA?

It's better than an S15 in many (most?) ways, yet is cheaper despite it being 10 years later.
About the only thing it's not better at is not being turbocharged & hence not allowing boost-up power upgrades for cheapskates.
And I'll be surprised if a force-fed one doesn't come along in the next couple of years; they've got to give themselves somewhere to go.

[vet 180]

I'm saying they could have made something equivalent and better than say an S15 for around the same money. They (s14a/s15) were/are OK looking cars, put some wheels and tidy up the ride height and they looked better again. A few cheap mods and it handles and can make bulk more power than stock too. It's not rocket science. I understand Toybaru must have stayed NA to capture the P plater market given they seem to be able to drive 40-50k new cars. But for someone who is looking for the next S15 for example you have to spend bulk on adding a turbo etc as people are doing to make it what it should have been so they are spending the cash anyway but putting the thing pretty near the limit at the same time. Is the 147kw standard on the limits of power to weight rules etc? Why not some more cubes if must be NA?

Buy an s15 then you whining bitch!

the ft86 makes very similar power to the s15 stock. Toyota gives no shits for hectick bleed valve modifiers!

What they care about is milking whats left of their "reliable sports car" image they have left and using a formula they had success with in the 80's i.e. lightweight, RWD, cheap, fun and underpowered. The ft86 ticks all the boxes and this is why it has been such a success.

[MexicanBatman]

Pfft shitty Subaru and problems with the BRZ

Should have brought a Toyota, I hear the 86 is good..


Oh wait what...

[Gats]

I'm saying they could have made something equivalent and better than say an S15 for around the same money. They (s14a/s15) were/are OK looking cars, put some wheels and tidy up the ride height and they looked better again. A few cheap mods and it handles and can make bulk more power than stock too. It's not rocket science. I understand Toybaru must have stayed NA to capture the P plater market given they seem to be able to drive 40-50k new cars. But for someone who is looking for the next S15 for example you have to spend bulk on adding a turbo etc as people are doing to make it what it should have been so they are spending the cash anyway but putting the thing pretty near the limit at the same time. Is the 147kw standard on the limits of power to weight rules etc? Why not some more cubes if must be NA?

The world has changed a decade on. Fuel economy is almost top of the priority list for new cars, so I highly doubt any new car released these days has massive potential for more power.

They're the same price as a civic or a fucking VW polo. Decent build quality+power+RWD starts on the wrong side of 60k. IE the new BMW M135i thing. Even a homosexual MX5 is over 45 grand these days.

[Captiva Fan]

What they care about is milking whats left of their "reliable sports car" image they have left and using a formula they had success with in the 80's i.e. lightweight, RWD, cheap, fun and underpowered. The ft86 ticks all the boxes and this is why it has been such a success.

Did they really sell that many AE86's?
Popularity was post-mortem, with the drifting fad's arrival, wasn't it?

They're the same price as a civic or a fucking VW polo. Decent build quality+power+RWD starts on the wrong side of 60k. IE the new BMW M135i thing.

Doubt a BMW would out-reliability an 86?

[TonyJZX]

while i partly agree with cam the car is $30k

have you seen the avg. $30k car? its no Audi A4...

[Gats]

Doubt a BMW would out-reliability an 86?

Cracka was whining about build quality, not reliability

[vet 180]

Did they really sell that many AE86's?
Popularity was post-mortem, with the drifting fad's arrival, wasn't it?


Doubt a BMW would out-reliability an 86?

730,000+ just in the U.S. They always sold well, they just became *cool* after. Same deal as the mx5 (they always sold well)....just without the after cool.

[Captiva Fan]

730,000+ just in the U.S. They always sold well, they just became *cool* after. Same deal as the mx5 (they always sold well)....just without the after cool.

Must just have been here they barely sold any. With the 4AC in 'em, and yet costing more than a better-handling (in standard form as they were delivered here) & just generally better Corolla Twin Cam, no wonder.

[TT]

they are like arseholes except worse build quality

Hi Clio owner.. Stop complaining about the kettle.

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the ft86 makes very similar power to the s15 stock.

Peak power yes, what about area under the curve and that elusive thing the 86 dosent have. Torque.
Does anybody that owns a 86 actually think it feels like a 15 second car?
I could live happily with the steering feel and knowing its a bargain for what it is but id be over the power by the end of the dealers driveway.

Is that S15 with the 2J in it still on Carsales?

[oioioioioi]

I understand Toybaru must have stayed NA to capture the P plater market given they seem to be able to drive 40-50k new cars.

Yeah, because Toyota and Subaru base their designs on the arse backwards regulations of a country that will buy maybe 2% of total production.