FT-86 to be named FR-S...

[MRMOPARMAN]

But aren't most open deck engines potentially problematical when pushing more power through them? Suspect that manufacturers dont' make them open by choice, it's an emissions thing.

yes, only a problem with more revs/boost, which is what i said. i cant see how changing to a closed deck block would change emissions though? id say its more of a cost savings vs 0% reiliability problems under warranty. either way, pretty much all mainstream manufacturers are doing it these days, but most other manufacturers are able to make it so the bores dont fuck around when pushing more power through them.

so what the fuck is subaru doing wrong?

[260BC]

Don't doubt what you say, I believe that with an open deck design engine heat distribution and cooling is more even so enabling a cleaner fuel burn.

[XXX19X]

Sounds similar to the UK price?
Actually, given that it's the same price here as in the USA, it's probably more accurate to say that for some reason Toyota Australian aren't shafting the Australian market in the way most manufacturere & importers (including Toyota) almost always do; the price they're selling it here for is unusually low when you compare other imported cars with their US & Japanese prices.

Nissan is doing something similar with the new Pulsar. $19,990 vs $19,990 for the pulsar back in 1996. Maybe the cost of living has something to do with it.

[ironhorse]

Nissan is doing something similar with the new Pulsar. $19,990 vs $19,990 for the pulsar back in 1996. Maybe the cost of living has something to do with it.

No .. being the price it was 20 years ago is different ...There are plenty of cars same price or cheaper than the 90's,in real terms every car is cheaper than in 1996 . What Forg is saying is they are selling the cars cheaper or the same price as in the US , which is rare .

[womblesti]

Wrx has been $40k pretty much since launch in 1994

[Captain_Slow]

About the only cars not still at mid 90s prices are Australian made ones

[perthdrivers.txt]

yes, only a problem with more revs/boost, which is what i said. i cant see how changing to a closed deck block would change emissions though? id say its more of a cost savings vs 0% reiliability problems under warranty. either way, pretty much all mainstream manufacturers are doing it these days, but most other manufacturers are able to make it so the bores dont fuck around when pushing more power through them.

so what the fuck is subaru doing wrong?

I get where you're coming from but the point is, to assume that this engine has the same issues as the EJ which was designed what? 20 years ago? when the FA is an unrelated clean-sheet design and no one has even had the boost levels or longevity to see any bore issues is a bit presumptuous... Maybe we should wait and see?

[crimespree]

Just spent the last 6 hours driving mine...
Love it!

[devo]

Looks like they're getting ripped off in Ireland. 40K euro according to the review for what looks like a GTS equivelent model.

ouch. They're 25000 gpb - 29000 euro in pomgolia.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyo...-GT86-landing#

[John]

Exactly. And a brand new 135i is 30k. Hmmm. I haven't even taken toyota or sub up on their invitation for a test drive, because at that money it makes no sense contemplating ownership in the UK.

[farmsci]

yes, only a problem with more revs/boost, which is what i said. i cant see how changing to a closed deck block would change emissions though? id say its more of a cost savings vs 0% reiliability problems under warranty. either way, pretty much all mainstream manufacturers are doing it these days, but most other manufacturers are able to make it so the bores dont fuck around when pushing more power through them.

so what the fuck is subaru doing wrong?

I had thought it was partly a NVH thing too, something about operating a little quieter. Euro emissions standards include an NVH requirement so whilst it may not effect what comes out of the exhaust I can see how it could effect noise transmission possibly?

Also check out the Darton catalog dude, they make sleeves for VR38's too, and people have been sleeving Honda blocks for years for the same reasons, no hate for B16's?

[IMOA]

A sleeve maker like darton will make sleeves for pretty much anything with an alloy block, closed deck or open deck doesn't make a difference.

[260BC]

Maybe but if there was not a potential problem then they would not sell them. Supply = demand. Closed deck? How do they fit them?

[IMOA]

Badly ime.

I think they stick them in the freezer but TK is the best to ask. Point is that it's not unusual at all and making out that sleeving an alloy blocked NA engine when bolting a big turbo to it is proof that the engine is flawed in design is just stupid.

[MZ21]

Just for info the cylinder walls on the FA20 are 12mm so plenty thick enough. Currently options on the table are either leave it alone or possible use some dowels to stop potential movement. All will be known from Thursday on when the old motor get torn down to find out what let go.