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    #7951
    Originally posted by Deceiver View Post
    So Toyota were full of shit when they ran training for dealership staff and said it's the same box (not identical, but based on ISF box with less cogs)?

    Cool, good to know the internet is here to correct the manufacturer.
    You are aware that the ISF box is just a conventional torque converter auto? So if the 86 box is based on it then it must also be a conventional torque converter auto that has no mechanical relationship to the 6-speed manual....

    Originally posted by Jim
    I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.
    Originally posted by elfturbomax
    What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.
    1UZ+1NZ...

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      #7952
      Originally posted by Deceiver View Post
      So Toyota were full of shit when they ran training for dealership staff and said it's the same box (not identical, but based on ISF box with less cogs)?

      Cool, good to know the internet is here to correct the manufacturer.
      So the manual is based on an auto from the isf. Okay then....

      http://www.toyota.com.au/86/features/performance/drivetrain

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        #7953
        Originally posted by perthdrivers.jpg View Post
        You are aware that the ISF box is just a conventional torque converter auto? So if the 86 box is based on it then it must also be a conventional torque converter auto that has no mechanical relationship to the 6-speed manual....
        "Based", that's right, not "identical".

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          #7954
          Originally posted by ToddW View Post
          Have you driven the auto?
          I don't need to ... part of the involvement in driving is in getting it all right. Take away the gearbox, that takes away enough of a proportion of the fun to make a car like an 86 a bit pointless; unless it's been bought as a shopping trolley 2dr.

          Originally posted by Deceiver View Post
          "Based", that's right, not "identical".
          Hang on ... you really weren't kidding?
          Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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            #7955
            Originally posted by Forg View Post
            I don't need to ...
            Perhaps you should before you make your mind up. I wasn't all that keen but after driving it I changed my mind.
            Also I can confirm that the ISF box is a conventional auto as is the 86 and bears no resemblance to the 86 manual.





            Under steer is hitting the wall with your front end. Over steer is hitting the wall with your tail end. Horsepower if how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how much of the wall you take with you after you hit it.

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              #7956
              86 uses the same box as the IS250 (A960E), not the ISF box (8 speed - AA80E)

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                #7957
                Do you remove the clutch pedal when you flash your manual to auto or just leave it there?

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                  #7958
                  Originally posted by womblesti View Post
                  Do you remove the clutch pedal when you flash your manual to auto or just leave it there?
                  hahahaha, good call.

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                    #7959
                    Originally posted by Sturmovik View Post
                    86 uses the same box as the IS250 (A960E), not the ISF box (8 speed - AA80E)
                    This is my understanding also.





                    Under steer is hitting the wall with your front end. Over steer is hitting the wall with your tail end. Horsepower if how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how much of the wall you take with you after you hit it.

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                      #7960
                      Originally posted by Deceiver View Post
                      So Toyota were full of shit when they ran training for dealership staff and said it's the same box (not identical, but based on ISF box with less cogs)?

                      Cool, good to know the internet is here to correct the manufacturer.
                      You might need to have a chat to the service blokes on Monday morning before you further embarrass yourself.

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                        #7961
                        Originally posted by ToddW View Post
                        This is my understanding also.
                        Yep. Makes no sense to put an auto made for a V8 behind a 2.0 4 cyl.

                        Fwiw I have driven the auto and it was a big step back in the fun stakes and it is noticeably slower from the longer gearing. That said I'm not one of those people who find driving a manual in traffic a chore so it was a very easy choice for me.

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                          #7962
                          Originally posted by IMOA View Post
                          Yep. Makes no sense to put an auto made for a V8 behind a 2.0 4 cyl.

                          Fwiw I have driven the auto and it was a big step back in the fun stakes and it is noticeably slower from the longer gearing. That said I'm not one of those people who find driving a manual in traffic a chore so it was a very easy choice for me.
                          I bought the auto for my wife. All I'm saying is that it is a pretty good effort from Toyota. Not a manual but not bad at all. Same as my ISF - auto but pretty fucking awesome for an auto.





                          Under steer is hitting the wall with your front end. Over steer is hitting the wall with your tail end. Horsepower if how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how much of the wall you take with you after you hit it.

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                            #7963
                            Originally posted by IMOA View Post
                            Yep. Makes no sense to put an auto made for a V8 behind a 2.0 4 cyl.

                            Fwiw I have driven the auto and it was a big step back in the fun stakes and it is noticeably slower from the longer gearing. That said I'm not one of those people who find driving a manual in traffic a chore so it was a very easy choice for me.
                            It's only a chore when you have the phone in one hand and the bigmac in the other....

                            Yeah nah, I never got people complaining about manual's in city driving. Now if you have a really heavy and grabby clutch (like mine) different story, sometimes very embarrassing stalling the fucker, but the factory clutch and 6 speed are a peach to drive.

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                              #7964
                              The FR-S, 86, and BRZ are offered with two 6-speed transmissions built by Aisin, a manual gearbox and an automatic transmission which is modified from the Lexus IS 250. The automatic uses a traditional wet torque converter design, but its software has been engineered to mimic the response of a dual-clutch gearbox.
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_86#Engineering

                              Pay more attention in class next time. Auto box the same as a manual other than a software flash fkn el oh el.

                              http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm
                              http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...ansmission.htm

                              Just when we were talking about clueless dealers too, the secret to good comedy is the timing :D

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                                #7965
                                Originally posted by MZ21 View Post
                                It's only a chore when you have the phone in one hand and the bigmac in the other....

                                Yeah nah, I never got people complaining about manual's in city driving. Now if you have a really heavy and grabby clutch (like mine) different story, sometimes very embarrassing stalling the fucker, but the factory clutch and 6 speed are a peach to drive.
                                I have driven mine in heavy traffic, it was fine. Only once did it give me the shits and that was after a 17 hour day of really hard work, it was not just my legs but my whole body that was buggered.

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