FT-86 to be named FR-S...

[MZ21]

What would they achieve? Let's say it cost another 10k.

For that money you buy a focus RS/evo/STI/WRX/Levorg. And you undercut all those sales of their own product.

That and the fact they're terribly overpriced as is so they make a killing on each one, and people keep buying them as is. The cunts of things should cost 5-10k less than a base model povvo forester or impreza as it's identical except missing half the drivetrain and doors. Probably a 50% shared BOM between them all.

None of the above are RWD. Effort would be minimal for Subaru to slot in a turbo FA20.

[IMOA]

In the 2 1/2 years the S15 was on sale Nissan sold 3000 odd. In the first 2 years the 86/BRZ was on sale they sold about 15000. I don't understand why people keep saying how Toyota and Subaru are stupid for not making the car more like significantly less successful cars.

[burn is weird]

as long as they keep selling they've got no reason to do a beast mode one.

im just sitting over here pining for a C7 Z06 Vette.

[MRMOPARMAN]

In the 2 1/2 years the S15 was on sale Nissan sold 3000 odd. In the first 2 years the 86/BRZ was on sale they sold about 15000. I don't understand why people keep saying how Toyota and Subaru are stupid for not making the car more like significantly less successful cars.

obviously the turbo is not why the S15 wasn't as successful. there was a glut of jap performance cars in the 90s (compared to today).
the 86 filled an obvious void in the market. they would have sold heaps more if the turbo motor was a $5k option.. how many? im guessing we will never know.

[IMOA]

obviously the turbo is not why the S15 wasn't as successful. there was a glut of jap performance cars in the 90s (compared to today).
the 86 filled an obvious void in the market. they would have sold heaps more if the turbo motor was a $5k option.. how many? im guessing we will never know.

S15 was 00's and it's only competitors were the DC2 tag type R and the seriously unpopular bug eye WRX, I'd argue the 86 has more competitors and it sold at more than 5 times the rate of the S15 which was considered pretty bloody successful at the time. I think a lot of people who aren't in the 86 target market keep imagining how the car could be changed to be more directed at them while ignoring the fact that it would make it less attractive to those that are buying it. And 5k for turbo, sorry but no, no chance.

[JZK25]

None of the above are RWD. Effort would be minimal for Subaru to slot in a turbo FA20.

The FA20 turbo is not the same engine at all though, it has totally different heads, different injection system, different engine management etc.

The other thing is the turbo on an FA20DIT would scrape on the road, the wrx engine is mounted significantly higher in the engine bay.

Far more likely they would up the capacity to 2.5 then turbocharge.


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[Bren]

None of the above are RWD. Effort would be minimal for Subaru to slot in a turbo FA20.

Adding to this, none of the above are a great looking coupe, either. People who want an 86 don't want an ugly as fuck Levorg wagon.

[itsnotagsr]

S15 was 00's and it's only competitors were the DC2 tag type R and the seriously unpopular bug eye WRX, I'd argue the 86 has more competitors and it sold at more than 5 times the rate of the S15 which was considered pretty bloody successful at the time. I think a lot of people who aren't in the 86 target market keep imagining how the car could be changed to be more directed at them while ignoring the fact that it would make it less attractive to those that are buying it. And 5k for turbo, sorry but no, no chance.

Celica buyers?

[IMOA]

Celica buyers?

That would be about half I reckon, people that just want something that looks like a sportscar. The other half are driving enthusiasts as opposed to performance car enthusiasts.

[MZ21]

The FA20 turbo is not the same engine at all though, it has totally different heads, different injection system, different engine management etc.

The other thing is the turbo on an FA20DIT would scrape on the road, the wrx engine is mounted significantly higher in the engine bay.

Far more likely they would up the capacity to 2.5 then turbocharge.


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Aware of that, simply because the BRZ wasn't included in the design requirements. If it was the issues you mentioned would have been addressed. Again it doesn't seem like a stretch to get a factory turbo option for the Fa20 on the BRZ. What Id like to know about is the 3.6L have you looked into that? Would it fit?

A real shame there no factory higher performance models

[MZ21]

Adding to this, none of the above are a great looking coupe, either. People who want an 86 don't want an ugly as fuck Levorg wagon.

When I saw Levorg in pics I thought what a fugly looking wagon.... but up close they look real nice, well at least the example I saw. White with black STI wheels and black lip spoiler. Ive completely changed my view on the looks.

[Mr Purple]

Toyota will never do it because of the inherent conservatism in the company, I'm amazed they built in in the first place.

It's not even just the engine. The way Toyota works they'd want to overengineer the hell out of the rest of the drivetrain, add some chassis reinforcement, upgrade the brakes and design a new and even uglier wheel and body kit. They'd literally double the cost of the car.

[trdee]

be glad it is cheap and basic, allows you to modify it properly to your own tastes

[MZ21]

Toyota will never do it because of the inherent conservatism in the company, I'm amazed they built in in the first place.

It's not even just the engine. The way Toyota works they'd want to overengineer the hell out of the rest of the drivetrain, add some chassis reinforcement, upgrade the brakes and design a new and even uglier wheel and body kit. They'd literally double the cost of the car.

You realise it's all put together by FHI right? Ie Subaru. I reckon if Subaru built a Turbo model Toyota would just bandwagon onto it as well.

[Aaron]

Yeah but if a turbo model appeared the discussion would be "the turbo is too small/shit and needs rods for more than 300hp" etc

Enthusiasts will never be "happy"