FT-86 to be named FR-S...

[itsnotagsr]

So it's looking pretty likely it will be up around 45-50k.

Well that theory goes off the Abarth 500 being $50k here, $25k in the states.

I'd say $40k. That was where previous efforts like the Mr2 sat.

[rj_astra]

Abarth 500's aren't 50k. The Essesse model is about 40k.

They are 35K + ORC (- discount )

The FR-S is a fraction more expensive than a 3 door Golf GTI in the USA. And the FRS is slightly lower spec than the models we will get.
Toyota will have a hard time bringing the Aus base spec FT-86 for much under 40K. $38990 sounds like a nice number.

[TonyJZX]

americans are saying the same thing

$25k brz/scion... genesis coupe with 4 cyl turbo power or a mustang v6 with 300hp

its a tough buy

[Captain_Slow]

Toyota and Subaru, unlike Fiat, have economies of scale in selling here (lots of dealers etc), so the Abarth is a useless comparison. Better off checking what a Camry or Liberty goes for in the US and do the mental maths from there.

[tremolo]

They also don't have The Ateco Factor.

[itsnotagsr]

americans are saying the same thing

$25k brz/scion... genesis coupe with 4 cyl turbo power or a mustang v6 with 300hp

its a tough buy

Mustang V6 is USD$22k apparently.

[IMOA]

americans are saying the same thing

$25k brz/scion... genesis coupe with 4 cyl turbo power or a mustang v6 with 300hp

its a tough buy

The 86 is ~300kg lighter and from all reports considerably better handling though so it all depends on what you're looking for.

To me it looks like 40k + ORC in australia and at that price I reckon demand will outstrip supply at least for the first year

[TonyJZX]

yes i know all the justifications about why the BRZ/FRS/FT86 is better but when it comes to sign the paperwork... people will overlook certain things when they can save $3k here etc.

i'd take a genesis over this as it tends to sit in the middle... handling vs. skids?

[IMOA]

yes i know all the justifications about why the BRZ/FRS/FT86 is better but when it comes to sign the paperwork... people will overlook certain things when they can save $3k here etc.

i'd take a genesis over this as it tends to sit in the middle... handling vs. skids?

Whereas I'd buy the 86 even if the others were available for sale here (I'd also buy a Cayman S over an M3 over a C63 as well so I'm definately not typical of pf)

[TonyJZX]

far too much emphasis on skidding ability here

i think its early days yet

i don't doubt you'll see some good deals come on 18 months down the track once the aura has worn off

[rj_astra]

The 86 is ~300kg lighter and from all reports considerably better handling though so it all depends on what you're looking for.

Yet nearly every whinging post (on other sites) about the FT86 is that it doesn't have 200kw+ and the wheel/tyres should be hugerer.

Well, it seems most of the buying public are secretly more interested in straight line speed than cornering prowess or fun. Maybe the punters really wanted Toyota to bring out a Supra not a MX5 Coupe

In the US...

Hyundai and Ford are already allowing V6/Turbo 4 buyers more access to performance pack options.

$26.5K delivered will get you a manual 3.7L V6 225kw Mustang with Recaros and performance pack (19in wheels, upgrade suspension and brakes, shorter diff ratio)

[Cal]

^what has that got to do with Stralia?

[rj_astra]

^what has that got to do with Stralia?

Probably not much. Except maybe the FT86/BRZ is the answer to a question the unwashed buying public haven't asked.
Mazda have the MX5. Great handling, folding hardtop, no power. Sales are diminishing to nothing.

When you see all the manufacturer propaganda on the FT86 talk about making the car balanced to drive (lowish grip tyres, revvy engine) and all the forums and aftermarket people talk about is turbos, superchargers, coilovers and sticky 18/19inch wheel/tyre combos you have to wonder.

[Rezz]

When you see all the manufacturer propaganda on the FT86 talk about making the car balanced to drive (lowish grip tyres, revvy engine) and all the forums and aftermarket people talk about is turbos, superchargers, coilovers and sticky 18/19inch wheel/tyre combos you have to wonder.

Up until a month or so before the Tokyo motor show we were all expecting a turbo STi donk to be included somewhere in the lne up...

It seems that Toyota and Subaru have tried to get away with the bare minimum requirement to fit the "sports car" category and will watch what happens after 6 months of sales. If the internet backlash from the 18 year olds wanting turbos and 19 inch wheels for a car they're not actually going to buy is severe enough I'm sure Toyo will offer some type of power up under G's/GRMN/Gazoo... in Japan at least anyway.

[perthdrivers.txt]

Interesting to note that (from what i have seen/read) none of the journalists, test drivers or members of the public who have driven the car have had any issues with its performance/power

Too many kids thinking this is supposed to be the next Supra benchracing it and missing the point. Car manufacturers dont do fast *and* cheap, at least not in this country. Pick one.