Moon landing conspiracy theorists - lend me your ears.

[vet 180]

R&D is well guarded by big corporations. You'll sign non-disclosure agreements and at a minimum they will monitor everything in your computer and any device which connects to their network.

If you send something home that maybe you shouldn't have, their security will turn up at your desk, walk you out, follow you to your house, force you to boot up your machine and watch you physically delete the information.

That's how one of Australia's largest businesses handles 'mild' cases of infringement.

Just because you haven't experienced it personally, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. 95% of workers have normal jobs and 5% make the decisions. That means 95% of people have absolutely no idea what goes on behind closed doors and 99% of that 95% will eat up whatever they are told without question.

The truth is things are often far more deceitful than you think because the morals applied by an individual are not the same as the morals applied by business.

Sorry my point was worded rather lazy. But my point was that I do know this sort of this happens for very low level rnd stuff.

In the video posted the guy said he cataloged over 200 types of alien and 57 of which are on earth or some crap. If this was indeed true, the conference where he outed the secret govt dealing with this never would have happened. Like you said they go to pretty extreme lengths to protect the latest potato peeler. If we had the technology to catalog aliens like he said we also have the tech and resources to keep the guys mouth shut. Simple.

I am not saying aliens exist as i dont have proof to back that claim up, but I am saying I doubt the credibility of the guys in the videos posted.

The second vid, I think the guy does believe there is an alien base on the moon, but I think some guy played a funny prank on him and he fell for it. He seemed like a low level clearance guy, who may have entered the classified section only a few times.

The 3rd vid. Was my point above. If there are aliens out there I seriously doubt that guy had anything to do with cataloging them.


I did not watch the 1 hour 55 min one, but was curious so watched the two short ones.

[rorge]

I have read so much on the subject, watched docos, it fascinates me to no end. The whole psychological aspect of it all was such a big thing at the time. The whole nation was hanging on by their teeth and holding their breaths during the mission.
That's the thing about how the story was told and the reality of it all that has discredited the event a little for me. The real landing and the public version of the landing.
I still have a few questions I need to find answers to' in time.

I enjoy and am interested in what you have to say, but you'll be far more credible if you spell things grammatically correct around here!

Thems be edumacated blokes n shit

Edit: Some of them are smart too!

[bv]

I expect more from you mate. You are respected here and I have started to grow respect for you, but as soon as you disagree with some one you turn to ridicule in a sneaky manner. As few words as possible, and some odd ball pic to take the piss. Surely you could entertain me and watch the videos and make some intelligent comments as I would be expecting from you.
But if you don't give a flying fuck, just say so. Why try and open dialogue if you shut the door when the conversation just starts. Is this such a touchy subject with you and others here.

You answered 'No'. Too what. This is what I mean, 'no' too what? Tesla? Religion? Science? What?

+1. I gave up a long time ago on this forum. Like I said, good luck with the ad hominem attacks, that's all that happens here - attack the man, not the argument. Hence 'conspiracy theory' gets attached to everything. FWIW in previous threads I've posted the same vids you did with much the same arguments, to much the same effect

here's a great post from another forum on the whole 'topic.' I like this position. I don't know about the claim of 500 odd satellites in orbit around the moon.

I have been into the moon conspiracy/NASA conspiracy for a long time now. It's really an interesting topic and is absolutely stacked with potentially high stakes.

Either it's one of the biggest lies ever perpetrated on mankind, OR it's the greatest achievement of mankind.

If it’s true, then in my opinion, it should be celebrated in a HUGE way. National holiday level. Hell, international holiday level! 24 hour, non-stop telecast of images from the moon of Old Glory planted in every landing site. Because seriously, it is mankind’s greatest achievement. It’s a mind blowing game changer that we humans could fly out to the moon, land on it, fuck around, and then fly back home like it was nothing. We did it multiple times! Brought a car there, spinned some shitties, played golf, all of that.

It’s proof of mankind mastering an alien environment, and doing it “like a boss” (to use the parlance of our times). And yet, this isn’t the case. The average person has no idea when we even did it.

If the moon landings were a hoax, then it’s one of the biggest lies of all-time and one of the more evil things ever done. It calls our (USA) government into question and could trigger some massive retaliation from our own citizens, and the rest of the world. As the United States stands for so much, and has achieved so much in such a short time, this massive lie would be a blow that would be difficult to recover from without some major changes.

Those are some high stakes, and it makes this conspiracy all the more appealing to pursue.

The cleanest question is: “Why haven’t we gone back?” This question has been “answered” numerous times. It is said that a manned moon mission is no longer a, “scientific priority”, that is no longer a “relevant challenge”, and that is not “economically justifiable”. Those are certainly answers. But I guess for me, those aren’t “satisfactory” answers. I want to celebrate this achievement. Those kinds of answers feel more like we’re shitting on the achievement. And so, from that one question, many others emerge as I learn more and more about the Apollo missions.

I would LOVE a nice clear picture of any of the landing sites. The official pics from NASA are absolutely not convincing. Currently, there are over 500 satellites orbiting the moon. Not all of them are equipped to take my precious photos, but close to 100 are. Unfortunately, none of them orbit over the landing sites. The reason why they don’t? Because, “those areas are not a scientific priority”. Again, I don’t find this answer to be satisfactory.

As crazy as some of the conspiracy theories are, I don’t consider it crazy to question NASA about the Apollo missions. I would be equally crazy if I were to celebrate the moon landing on July 20th every year.

Sorry about the long rant. Honestly bro, I ain’t mad. I just curious.

[Billzilla]

here's a great post from another forum on the whole 'topic.' I like this position. I don't know about the claim of 500 odd satellites in orbit around the moon.

I think there's one, maybe two satellites around the Moon. The LRO is one I know of, don't know of any others.

[Billzilla]

Oops, three now - http://www.space-travel.com/reports/..._Moon_999.html

[No_idea]

Sorry my point was worded rather lazy. But my point was that I do know this sort of this happens for very low level rnd stuff.

Yep some of those movies you see about whilstleblowers for corporations make me cringe because it's just to real.

Faking moon landings. Organising a terrorist attack. Those things are way to hard to have so many people involved to pull it off and keep a secret. Ultimately that is where almost all conspiracy theories fail no matter how plausible they appear to be. That really is the one question one needs to answer. Can 20,000 people be all in on a conspiracy and keep a secret? Nope.


How about the pyramids?

Or are we onto aliens now?

[Buco_73]

I enjoy and am interested in what you have to say, but you'll be far more credible if you spell things grammatically correct around here!

Thems be edumacated blokes n shit

Edit: Some of them are smart too!

I speak three languages and Engrish is just a cunt, but I try.

[Buco_73]

Yep some of those movies you see about whilstleblowers for corporations make me cringe because it's just to real.

Faking moon landings. Organising a terrorist attack. Those things are way to hard to have so many people involved to pull it off and keep a secret. Ultimately that is where almost all conspiracy theories fail no matter how plausible they appear to be. That really is the one question one needs to answer. Can 20,000 people be all in on a conspiracy and keep a secret? Nope.


How about the pyramids?

Or are we onto aliens now?

The fact is that it does not take 20,000 people to pull shit off. It can only take a hand full of dedicated individuals with the means and motivation. I have heard or read somewhere, but could never confirm it, there are many US officers who admitted that they did fake the landing just in case they did not make it. Whether this is true or not, I can't confirm or deny. But surely if there is some truth too it, there would have been no more then 20 people involved. Not hard to contain the secret at all had they actually gone through with it.

[sejanus]

fuck me you are an idiot.

[poid]

and whenever i tend to think of the denial, i like to think of aldrin smacking that guy in the face. skepticism is a good thing, but keep moving down the slide and eventually you'll get to the point where you deny all of your senses. i think to deny the moon landings at all is right on the end of it but even the evidence for the first landing's so incontrovertible you'd be brave or stupid to try argue against it for too long.

IMO the meaning of skepticism itself has been perverted in recent times. A skeptic is really just someone who does believe things at face value "just because", and looks deeper to see if things stack up. But these days "skepticism" almost means to disbelieve absolutely everything.

If there are facts to back something then, as a skeptic, your mind should be made up by those facts. So to believe the moon landing is a hoax after you've spent any time looking into it isnt skepticism, as the facts so clearly refute that position, its just a belief with no factual basis (no different to believing in the spaghetti monster).

I understand perfectly Aldrin punching that tosser...imagine your greatest achievement, a historic event, being belittled as nothing more than a fancy magic trick by some fuckhead who has done nothing of note in his life except deceive a whole bunch of people. I'll have clocked him too.

[sejanus]

i think doubting the moon landings is a absolute insult to the god knows how many thousands of people who worked on it, and the guys who died on apollo 1, and the soviets who also died.

doubting the moon landings is just absurd.

[poid]

But surely if there is some truth too it, there would have been no more then 20 people involved. Not hard to contain the secret at all had they actually gone through with it.

Can you put together a plausible scenario where only 20 people could pull it off?

[Soopy]

Can you put together a plausible scenario where only 20 people could pull it off?

20 people to pull it off I dunno.

20 people who know exactly whats going on?

Plausible.

Still a load of rubbish though :D

[No_idea]

The fact is that it does not take 20,000 people to pull shit off. It can only take a hand full of dedicated individuals with the means and motivation.

Not hard to contain the secret at all had they actually gone through with it.

The moon landing would involve a fair number (obviously 20k was an exaggeration, what i meant was it's a lot).

People are also shit at keeping secrets.

Take 10 people who have 95% trustworthiness rating. It sounds good as an individual but as a group they have a rating of 60%. If you look at time on it's own and say each day it's 99% that gives you roughly 2.5% of success over a year per person.

Give a group of 10 people who are 95% trustworthy over a year @ 99%/day and it's a 1.5% chance of keeping a secret each year. Over a period of 40yrs it's a number so small that a calculator shits itself. That's just for 10 people.

To keep a secret long term requires 1 person and even then the odds are still stacked heavily against them.

[GT-R LM]

Watched and read quite a bit on this subject.

Alot of these theories that say we didn't go to the moon forget to tell you
we walked on the moon 6 times (Apollo11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17) and got to lunar orbit 9 times Apollo 8,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 and 17.
Also people seem to forget about Projects Mercury and Gemini before Apollo.

Now everyone is trying to get to the moon to mine it for Helium 3 its the only thing worth going to the moon for. (gold isnt even worth bring back if it was on the moon.)

Anyways i'll leave this here, it's pretty interesting CUNTS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Ilyushin