Max sentence for no license / run from cops?

[cracka]

You're all forgetting the human factor.

No biker when presented with an obstacle will stop as good as a reasonable condition car given the same attention being paid and reaction time. The car, you clutch your area cheeks, push middle pedal as hard as possible and stop.

You don't get that opportunity on a bike. Whilst considering the impressionist art on the pavement you are about to become, you don't stop efficiently as a car does. The car has an element of inherent countermeasure to overbraking (stability) a bike does not. So when faced with splat or live, I'd put money on a 16 year old learner in a new laser than a desmodeci with a random competent bike rider.

Funny thing about drivers and riders, we all rate ourselves above average.....

[TriPod1]

You're right, the average Desmo rider/owner is an incompetant tool with too much money.

I may agree with you in the wet. I don't much like the wet on bike or in car, but bike is nastier.

Can you buy a new Laser?

AH

[Fatboy]

I said earlier that I am not supporting this guy who is clearly a goose.

I just find it hard to understand how so many blokes scream 'nanny state' about stuff and can ignore the contradiction that their attitude towards this is. Remember the pushbike helmet thing? The same blokes who whinge about speed cameras and revenue raising also want me to get a fine for wearing no styrofoam helmet on my pushbike.

hee's the thing- you can't have it both ways fuckos. You can't want no laws when it suits you personally and expect there to be harsh laws to deal with stuff that irritates you. That's all there is to it.

Here's how it is...

I don't need some fuckwit to tell me how many beers I can have at home on a Friday night in the safety of my own house whilst browsing PF / rubbing one out to my new favourite vid on youporn.

I don't need a helmet whilst doing 30km/h on a bike path - but surely that should be my choice ?

I don't need some cunt to tell me doing 65 in a 60 zone will kill every baby in a 10km radius.

I don't need some moron to tell me throwing $10 in a poker machine once a month should require a licence so the Government can protect me from myself...

But some fucking idiot doing near 200km/h on a bike in a built up area, without a licence and with prior history of being a retard ? Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that cunt deserves everything he gets and hopefully if someone has to die as a consequence of him being a slow learner of what's socially acceptable it's him and not some other poor bugger...

[Hansel]

If a tyre blows....

Bike/car on the street at stupid speeds, no matter how good you and your machine may be,has some serious risk to it.

I clocked the Speedo in a vn moo wagon the night I got my license. I didn't get caught and I didn't die.
I should have.

Bad roads, potholes, catseyes and tyres. Think about it for a sec.

Can we now get back to the real issue of violent crime/no jail/keep licence VS running yellow/death row Fucking cunts let me do 193 on lorimore etc fight fight fight shit pls.?

[BigMuz]

Here's how it is...

I don't need some fuckwit to tell me how many beers I can have at home on a Friday night in the safety of my own house whilst browsing PF / rubbing one out to my new favourite vid on youporn.

I don't need some cunt to tell me doing 65 in a 60 zone will kill every baby in a 10km radius.

I don't need some moron to tell me throwing $10 in a poker machine once a month should require a licence so the Government can protect me from myself...

But some fucking idiot doing near 200km/h on a bike in a built up area, without a licence and with prior history of being a retard ? Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that cunt deserves everything he gets and hopefully if someone has to die as a consequence of him being a slow learner of what's socially acceptable it's him and not some other poor bugger...

Absolutely fine by me and consistent. I am tired of being the devil's advocate anyway. :D

[mecmw]

As long as the wheels are touching the road with a force greater than 0 they can develop a friction force so why not use it, I'm just saying weight transfer does not change the total friction you can develop. The total friction force you can use to decelerate your car is still mass x gravity x coefficient of friction. Granted this is simplified and not on a bumpy racetrack with the C.O.G. moving as forces applied etc.

The problem with this is that rubber does not follow Coulomb's law. One way to think about it is that the coefficient of friction for rubber is not constant - it drops as the contact pressure goes up. If what you were saying were true, we could all be running 165 tyres without any loss of grip.

The mechanics of rubber is pretty complicated in general.

[TTerror]

A - Forget your science faggotry, in the real world a sportsbike with a competent rider will out brake most cars easily- this is observed by anyone who owns or has friends with bikes. HOWEVER, factors like road conditions (ie bumpys, loose gravel etc) and reaction times have a MUCH greater impact on a bike so in an emergency scenario I'd put money on a car which can swerve or do something stupid and still have a chance whereas if you so much as look at a bike wrong at speed its very easy to end up on your side.

B - I don't see why the penalties for road offences are somewhat more equitable as compared to other offences like assault so you don't have retarded situations where a unlicenced driver gets jailtime but a thug bashing strangers for fun gets a warning. I don't care about Vic Justice systems whining about "sentencing for different offenes is not related", this is Australia fucking and that's just not right.
If someone fucks up and your shitty driving/riding choices cause an accident or god forbid injure someone, then throw the book at them. Worse than now even to set a deterrent. However you start to take away some of the justification behind the "wipe off 5" fundraiser than so I won't hold my breath.

[Billzilla]

This idea that bikes don't stop is then based on youtube visdeos.

Oh.. okay.

You win.

AH

Well let's put it to the test.
Get any bike you like, put good racing rubber on it and go around QR. Brake where I brake in my little home-built racer (Well before it crashed) and see how you go.
I don't brake for Turn One (just a little lift near redline in 5th gear) nor brake for Turn Two.
But on the Clubman track the place where I really stomp on the brakes is into the last turn. I pick 5th gear (according to the gearing that's at about 180 km/h) something like 3/4's the way down that straight then hit the brakes after the flap point on the right and just before the crossover road on the left.
So try that in a bike sometime - Hit the brakes at about 190 km/h at around that point and see if you can stop for the corner.

I like bikes, I really do, but they just don't stop very well compared to a good car and aren't anywhere near as fast around corners as a reasonable racing car either.

Another example that isn't a Youtube vid is the lap times around Sepang. The F1 cars manage about 1:33 or so. I did a 2:37 in a 1.6 litre FWD Corolla. The GP1 bikes are just under the minute (well a couple of years ago they were). One of the races I did that had a Lamborghini Diablo with a warmed-over engine, suspension, and slicks. It also lapped just under the minute.
So a pretty fast road car on slicks was doing the same lap times as the fastest motorbikes ever built.
Note that this was on that track, different tracks naturally produce different results.
But, give me a bit of time and I could build a car in my garage that could easily beat any bike ever built around a track sorry.


BTW, this is my bike, I know you know a bit about them.

[Hansel]

2 years no licence and fines, legal fees for a traffic offence and I realised and met a few people that agreed that it's such a fucking headfuck of a punishment.

It's not just a simple can't drive for x amount of time.

[MartyHusseinXF]

effective govco propaganda is effective

[Hansel]

Forget milk @ supermarket? No worries. I'll jump in the car. Back in five. Oh wait. No licence. 6 hrs later after catching 36 different busses you can enjoy your coffee. Oh wait. FUCKING OUT OF COFFEE TOO.

[Hansel]

effective govco propaganda is effective

Propaganda not loading.

[Rorz de Puniet]

Well let's put it to the test.
Get any bike you like, put good racing rubber on it and go around QR. Brake where I brake in my little home-built racer (Well before it crashed) and see how you go.
I don't brake for Turn One (just a little lift near redline in 5th gear) nor brake for Turn Two.
But on the Clubman track the place where I really stomp on the brakes is into the last turn. I pick 5th gear (according to the gearing that's at about 180 km/h) something like 3/4's the way down that straight then hit the brakes after the flap point on the right and just before the crossover road on the left.
So try that in a bike sometime - Hit the brakes at about 190 km/h at around that point and see if you can stop for the corner.

I like bikes, I really do, but they just don't stop very well compared to a good car and aren't anywhere near as fast around corners as a reasonable racing car either.

Another example that isn't a Youtube vid is the lap times around Sepang. The F1 cars manage about 1:33 or so. I did a 2:37 in a 1.6 litre FWD Corolla. The GP1 bikes are just under the minute (well a couple of years ago they were). One of the races I did that had a Lamborghini Diablo with a warmed-over engine, suspension, and slicks. It also lapped just under the minute.
So a pretty fast road car on slicks was doing the same lap times as the fastest motorbikes ever built.
Note that this was on that track, different tracks naturally produce different results.
But, give me a bit of time and I could build a car in my garage that could easily beat any bike ever built around a track sorry.

BTW, this is my bike, I know you know a bit about them.

Your race car is an open wheeler that isn't even close to a road registered car. The vast majority of race bikes (moto GP etc excluded) use brake systems that are basically identical to road bikes. Race cars not so much...

Street bikes have very similar braking distances to fast road cars. Comparing these distances with all out race cars and purpose built open wheelers that will never see the road is kind of pointless.

You're also picking your track for these comparisons. Did you watch the time attack videos at Mallala from a thread a while back between the 800hp Willall R35 GTR and a mild R1 race bike? The R1 hosed the GTR by 5 full seconds on a track known for heavy braking. The GTR had full carbon brakes too. The R1 had braided lines...

When the ASBK guys race at the same circuit on the same day as the V8 supercars they are faster around 50% of the time depending on track. An ASBK is worth $20-$30k and uses stock brakes over than pads and lines. V8 supercars are massively lighter than a road car and use gigantic Alcon brakes.

[Hansel]

The rules and risks are simple.

Don't get caught and don't die. Because neither are as fun as you might think.

[Billzilla]

Your race car is an open wheeler that isn't even close to a road registered car. The vast majority of race bikes (moto GP etc excluded) use brake systems that are basically identical to road bikes. Race cars not so much...

The braking system on the older racer had Mk1 Cortina discs and callipers (later upgraded to AP two-pots but it didn't stop any better) on the front and tiny brakes on the back. It had no vacuum booster.
The brakes on my Fraser are massively bigger & better, still no booster.
The brakes on my Sprinter are nearly as good as the Fraser, still no booster either.

I used my racer as an apples/apples comparison for a race bike, I forgot to mention to use racing rubber on the bike as well to make it even though sorry.

You're also picking your track for these comparisons. Did you watch the time attack videos at Mallala from a thread a while back between the 800hp Willall R35 GTR and a mild R1 race bike? The R1 hosed the GTR by 5 full seconds on a track known for heavy braking. The GTR had full carbon brakes too. The R1 had braided lines...

When the ASBK guys race at the same circuit on the same day as the V8 supercars they are faster around 50% of the time depending on track. An ASBK is worth $20-$30k and uses stock brakes over than pads and lines. V8 supercars are massively lighter than a road car and use gigantic Alcon brakes.

Yes that's why I specifically said it was only valid for that track, other tracks would get different results and you showed that.