Data Recorder mandated by US Gov. by Sept. 1, 2014

[darwinschops]

Dunno about here but the intent is to use the data for crash analysis officially. At the moment all that seems to be done here is to examine the physical evidence at the scene of the accident and the damage to the car, not interrogate the ECU/datalogging even if the ECU has that ability. The US seems to be going for the latter as well now.

I think air bag modules store the last few seconds of parameters (G-forces, speeds, etc) when they are activated for crash analysis purposes. Getting that admitted into court evidence or an insurance dispute might be a different matter.

It could just be this, but some sort of onboard data retention was used to convict a Kiwi coming undone in his Ve clubsport.

[MexicanBatman]

i have a camry and it has an event data recorder, so did the last model, but its in the manual now as only recently they were required to advise you of this

records speed tps brake action steering angle seat and mirror position, occupants and seltbelts, who knows what else it records

my car also has a camera on the windscreen thats for the auto highbeams, maybe the shifty cunts connect it to the edr and can play it back too.

[cracka]

brz has a black box.

hth

[perthdrivers.txt]

There is a procedure to pop the CVR circuit breaker to retain the information, in the opinion of the Captain.

There was a incident (one of the episodes of Air Crash Investigation) where a captain of a passenger jet deliberately popped the CVR (and FDR?) circuit breakers moments before he knocked out the first officer and put the jet into a suicide dive, instantly killing everyone on board

The aim being allegedly so that no one would know it was not an accident

[MexicanBatman]

I saw a black box the other day from an a330, it was u/s so they changed it before flight

Not what I thought it was, I know they aren't black but it was just odd shaped.

[2JZR31]

This has been in some AU cars for years. I think around 8 years ago a guy at work got into shit by Holden when they serviced the old shit 3.2 V6 rodeo. They told him how many times the engine hit the rev and speed limits. The ECU obviously counted the times the engine hit the limiters. These days the logging is just getting better.

[7xr]

[Billzilla]

There was a incident (one of the episodes of Air Crash Investigation) where a captain of a passenger jet deliberately popped the CVR (and FDR?) circuit breakers moments before he knocked out the first officer and put the jet into a suicide dive, instantly killing everyone on board

The aim being allegedly so that no one would know it was not an accident

That was SilkAir in Indonesia I think. The Captain had big gambling debts and took out a big insurance policy on himself just before the light.
Nothing suspicious at all.

[darwinschops]

There was a incident (one of the episodes of Air Crash Investigation) where a captain of a passenger jet deliberately popped the CVR (and FDR?) circuit breakers moments before he knocked out the first officer and put the jet into a suicide dive, instantly killing everyone on board

The aim being allegedly so that no one would know it was not an accident

Fark... Can't say I haven't wondered what happens when the wrong pilot has a bad day or decides to call it quits in a big way.

[Billzilla]

Fark... Can't say I haven't wondered what happens when the wrong pilot has a bad day or decides to call it quits in a big way.

Very bad things happen.
There's unfortunately been a few.

[darwinschops]

Yeah... It's one of those things that crosses your mind just as your'e belting up sometimes.

Then I had to google it and remembered why I try not to watch ACI and such. Wouldn't stop me flying but...

I see what you're saying with the accident shit/no problems (any job has any number of near misses that shouldn't result in reamings) and it's good when they can follow a lot of accidents to find the source (early DC-10). The one's that are just plain human such as a bad night's sleep or other make me glad someone else is doing the flying (s'long as they aren't mad...)

And can't help but ask but what are some of the crazier ones? I'll just remind myself it's safer than driving.

[Billzilla]

And can't help but ask but what are some of the crazier ones? I'll just remind myself it's safer than driving.

A couple that spring to mind are a Japanese 707 that ditched into the bay short of the runway near Tokyo I think. The Captain just decided to end it all when coming in to land and stuck the nose down until they hit the water. Most people survived, including the Captain. He even helped people get out of the plane and nobody knew what he'd done until a day or two later, then he got a knock on the door ...

Another is a pissed-off aircrew bloke with some freight mob in the US that flew DC-10's. He was passengering on one and waited until they were up in the cruise then started attacking the flight crew with a ball pein hammer. Caved the skull in on the First Officer and then started beating away at the Captain. I can't remember the details but one of them got out of their seat (with the Flight Engineer ...?) and managed to subdue him. The last guy in the cockpit flew the plane back to the ground with blood pouring out of his head and only one eye working. Something like that anyway.

[Jack Nicholson]

^^^^I remember seeing that one about the freighter on Air Crash Investigation.

His plan was to kill the crew, wait the half hour until the tape wiped over, and then crash the plane so it would look like an accident & his family would get the insurance payout.

The crew were smashed to bits, but they overcame him & somehow got it down.

Wild story...

[Rdyno]

I did not read the thread but I have seen these recorders in action :D it helps with warranties......... Oh your reco engine sat at 5k for over a min with no wheel speed sensor input on the front wheels........... mmm no warranty.

[irsa76]

Another is a pissed-off aircrew bloke with some freight mob in the US that flew DC-10's. He was passengering on one and waited until they were up in the cruise then started attacking the flight crew with a ball pein hammer. Caved the skull in on the First Officer and then started beating away at the Captain. I can't remember the details but one of them got out of their seat (with the Flight Engineer ...?) and managed to subdue him. The last guy in the cockpit flew the plane back to the ground with blood pouring out of his head and only one eye working. Something like that anyway.

That was one of ours, he was a jump seater and had been summonsed to Memphis, iirc to give cause why he shouldn't be terminated for a couple of issues. End result was we suspended jump seaters for many years, only reinstated last year and only for people cleared for ramp ops and even then only with air op manager approval, previously any employee could request a jump seat and only had to have a valid work related reason. Apparently we have CVRs retaining data though out the flight, due to the nature of the stuff we carry if something goes wrong it generally does it in big way.
As for data recorders in vehicles, I know we trialled the recorders with cameras and GPS tracking on some vehicles in the US, I believe all the electric trucks and some of our long haul fleet had them fitted. Last I heard our new vehicles in the US will have them fitted, we're still looking at GPS tracking here in Australia.