New shitboxen Mondeo throttle issue

[freakygeek]

In my experience with various makes and models of diesels, is that they can take up to 20k to fully free up.

Also most modern makes and models have fairly poor throttle response, with is solely for fuel economy IMO.

Old school cable throttle FTW

Throttle on a diesel? Do have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? Do you understand how a diesel engine is managed, particularly a modern common rail diesel?

There are a few reasons for the lag from putting your foot down to going in a modern diesel. As rj said, a large part of it is likely to be the transmission getting its shit together. The other part consists of the Vane actuator on the turbo positioning itself and actually making boost, and the engine management injecting diesel in a fashion that doesn't result in half the diesel ending up as soot in the DPF. Unlike a mechanically injected diesel, where you press the throttle and the fuel goes in, whether it can actually be burned usefully or not....

[Sturmovik]

Throttle on a diesel? Do have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? Do you understand how a diesel engine is managed, particularly a modern common rail diesel?

There are a few reasons for the lag from putting your foot down to going in a modern diesel. As rj said, a large part of it is likely to be the transmission getting its shit together. The other part consists of the Vane actuator on the turbo positioning itself and actually making boost, and the engine management injecting diesel in a fashion that doesn't result in half the diesel ending up as soot in the DPF. Unlike a mechanically injected diesel, where you press the throttle and the fuel goes in, whether it can actually be burned usefully or not....

Notice how my opening sentence mentioned Diesels in particular, yet my second sentence mentioned 'most modern makes and models?
So in other words when I mentioned cable throttle, I wasnt necessarily refering to diesels.

[Greg Rust]

The XR5 had torque limiting in first and second gear from factory, made it feel doughy, flash tune sorted that out.

[perthdrivers.txt]

AFAIK all diesel Mondeos (which the op is talking about) are turbo and share the 1 gearbox regardless of spec.

Hmm weird, I could've sworn ours is n/a, but sure enough...

The TDCi's 2.0-litre Duratorq turbodiesel engine is sourced from PSA (Peugeot and Citroen) and is Euro IV compliant featuring a maintenance-free particulate filter and the latest high-pressure common-rail injection technology. Rated at 96 kW, it delivers 320Nm from 1750-2240rpm. It features a cast iron block and alloy head and is again mated to Ford's Durashift six-speed automatic transmission.

If it is turbo then.... Geez. PSA explains all....

[rj_astra]

Modeo TDCi

2.0 Litre Duratorq 16V Turbo Diesel
Max power output ISO (kW/rpm) 120kW @ 4000rpm
Max torque ISO (Nm/rpm) 340Nm @ 1750-2500rpm

[exwrxex]

Mercedes and BMW turbo diesels with torque converter autos do it as well...

[phat-turbo]

you bought the tuning box i suggested you whinging cunt?

[Jack Nicholson]

Geez. PSA explains all....

As for PSA, well the V6 diesel (Ford AJD-V6 / PSA DT17) used in the Jags, Range Rovers, Land Rovers, Territory, as well as Citroen whatevers has the PSA lineage & it's a rocking engine, so long as it's backed by the ZF tranny, not these DSG boxes...

[dsmith]

you bought the tuning box i suggested you whinging cunt?

No, it's a work vehicle as I said in my first post you blind cunt.

[Sturmovik]

As for PSA, well the V6 diesel (Ford AJD-V6 / PSA DT17) used in the Jags, Range Rovers, Land Rovers, Territory, as well as Citroen whatevers has the PSA lineage & it's a rocking engine, so long as it's backed by the ZF tranny, not these DSG boxes...

I think Territory Diesels are a bit laggy aswell.

[Jack Nicholson]

Well for full disclosure I've never driven a diesel Territory, but I have driven several diesel Jags and a RR Sport, with no lag...

[[ryan]]

It feels like it is most likely related to the traction/stability control programming. I should probably try giving it a go with that switched off to see if it makes any difference at all.

[snavy]

So the best medium sized car out there is shit, so all medium sized cars are shit?

[dsmith]

I know with the aurion there used to be a way to turn off it's traction control trickery (supposedly) by doing something with the ignition switch, brake pedal pumping ect. Would there be such trickery available for the pos ford?

[phat-turbo]

stupid cunt, buy the unit - it's $400 for a vehicle you'll probably put at least 25000km on a year - who cares if its a work car.