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    boothy.com Open Speed Limits for NT?

    http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...508-2j6zy.html

    The Northern Territory could soon return to having open speed limits on remote sections of highway after its road toll failed to drop at the same pace as the rest of Australia.

    Northern Territory chief minister Adam Giles is reviewing speed limits on the Stuart, Victoria and Barkly Highways as part of a pre-election promise. Giles has already flagged likely increases to the speed limit on selected sections of highway, and is expected to announce his decision shortly after delivering next week's Territory budget.

    Open speed limits were abolished by the former Territory Labor Government in 2006 and replaced by a maximum limit of 130km/h.

    In the six years since, more people have died on Northern Territory roads (307) than in the six years before the change (292).
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    Fatalities on the Stuart, Victoria and Barkly Highways have almost halved since speed limits were introduced, from 62 to 32, but the statistics show that the drop is more to do with fewer drink-drivers and the increased use of seatbelts by Territory drivers. The number of speed-related deaths droppped from six to four, while the number of alcohol-related deaths dropped from 22 to eight and the seatbelt-related deaths dropped from 19 to nine.

    While the Territory road toll has increased in the six years since the introduction of speed limits, the Australian road toll for the corresponding period has reduced by 14.3 per cent (or 1414 people).

    Giles said the government was assessing the findings of three separate investigation reports before it made a decision.

    “I have consistently stated that any review of speed limits will be evidence based,” he said.

    “The priority goal is to balance having effective and efficient speed limits in place with road safety for all road users.

    “The current investigation is based on crash data, road features (width and rutting) and operating characteristics dependant on engineering design of road sections.”

    Scrapping the speed restrictions would see the Northern Territory return to having discretionary limits, similar to high-speed sections of German autobahns. The road fatality rate per 10,000 vehicles is lower in Germany than Australia (0.8 versus 1.0 per 10,000, according to 2009 figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics), despite vast sections of 130km/h and open speed highways.

    Despite the Northern Territory case study – and some overseas examples where speed limit increases have had little or no effect on fatalities - there is still overwhelming opposition to raising the speed limit in other Australian states or the ACT. NSW Minister for Roads and Ports, Duncan Gay said that there would be no review of NSW speed limits. "We have no plans to have unlimited speed-limits on our roads," he said.

    Professor Max Cameron, a researcher at the Monash University Accident Centre, said the Territory Government would be risking lives.

    “Increasing the speed limits again in the Northern Territory is very much in the wrong direction,” Professor Cameron said.

    “The simple answer to reducing fatalities in rural environments is to reduce speed limits, not increase them.”

    In NSW, authorities say speed is the biggest contributor to the state’s road toll. However, as with the rest of Australia, their definition of speeding does not relate to the speed limit but “inappropriate speed for the conditions”, among other factors.

    In Australia there are no statistics on how many fatalities are caused by motorists exceeding the speed limit.

    “Excessive speed is straightforward, however, there are often cases where a vehicle is travelling below the posted speed limit, but the speed is deemed inappropriate for the conditions,” the general manager of the NSW Centre for Road Safety, Marg Prendergast, told Fairfax.

    University of NSW Professor Mike Regan said inattention was “the biggest contributing factor we know of for crashes”, and that crash analysts oversimplified the role of speeding.

    “Often speed is coded as the causal factor but if you think about it more laterally it could be that a person was distracted and as a coincidence they went over the speed limit,” Professor Regan said.

    “I think sometimes it’s a matter of being a bit more precise in knowing what the actual causal factor was ... most of the time you’re relying on police reports at the crash scene to determine what the causal factors were.”

    Lobbyists and some safety experts have long advocated increasing speed limits to 130km/h on major arterial roads such as the Hume Highway, arguing it would not cost lives and could reduce the rate of fatigue-related crashes.

    Between 2008 and 2012, fatigue was a factor in 24 per cent (148) of fatalities on NSW highways. However, since speed limits were introduced in the Northern Territory, fatalities caused by fatigue are unchanged (13 in the five years prior and 13 in the five years since).

    Prendergast challenged the view that higher limits would reduce fatigue-related crashes.

    “There is no evidence to suggest that increasing speed limits reduces boredom and there is also no evidence to suggest that a reduced speed limit increases fatigue related crashes,” she said.

    Professor Cameron said that on top of overwhelming evidence against increasing speed limits, Australia’s older fleet of cars, sub-standard roads and poor lane etiquette were further reasons not to increase speed limits.

    “What we do know is that the speeds on rural roads in Australia are particularly high and in fact should be reduced.”

    With Toby Hagon, David McCowen

    Road toll

    Year Northern Territory Australia

    2001 50 1737

    2002 55 1715

    2003 53 1621

    2004 35 1583

    2005 55 1627

    2006 44 1598

    2007 57 1603

    2008 75 1437

    2009 31 1488

    2010 50 1352

    2011 45 1277

    2012 49 1310

    Source: Northern Territory Department of Transport, Department of Infrastructure and Transport.
    Poll: Should governments consider higher speed limits?

    Yes

    91%
    No

    9%

    Total votes: 1210.

    Disclaimer:

    These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.
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    #2
    Good.

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      #3
      But if people aren't following an arbitrary number on a stick how will they NOT crash and die instantly?
      Originally posted by ahabthearab
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        #4
        <Laughs Heartily>

        "Look at me electorate, I'm a sensible dude who's in touch with your need to drive fast, oh wait, here comes some big federal clowns and sad sacks to ruin the day!..."

        overwhelming opposition to raising the speed limit in other Australian states or the ACT
        ... and the centre for maintaining govco status quo

        Professor Public Polity Paycheck, a researcher at the Monash University Accident Centre, said the Territory Government would be risking lives
        .

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          #5
          Originally posted by "Unbiased" Government mouthpiece
          Professor Public Polity Paycheck, a researcher at the Monash University Accident Centre, said the Territory Government would be risking lives
          I don't understand this. The evidence is clear as day that when the limits were removed the road toll doubled before settling back into place. Its been proven, in the NT at least (and lets be honest, everywhere) that inattentiveness, 14 natives in an XD Falcon and sleeping on the road as well as driving fucking spastic drunk cause the crashes.
          Originally posted by ahabthearab
          If you're in Amsterdam why the fuck are you even conscious and not in a drug fueled haze bent over with some crackhore hooker jamming a giant black didldo up your arse?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Sathanas View Post
            I don't understand this. The evidence is clear as day that when the limits were removed the road toll doubled before settling back into place. Its been proven, in the NT at least (and lets be honest, everywhere) that inattentiveness, 14 natives in an XD Falcon and sleeping on the road as well as driving fucking spastic drunk cause the crashes.
            Choir, preaching...

            He's keen as fuck to ensure he keeps hist tenure by the looks, from the same gonad of supreme scrubyesque usefulness -

            “What we do know is that the speeds on rural roads in Australia are particularly high and in fact should be reduced.”
            And another muppet;

            ...However, since speed limits were introduced in the Northern Territory, fatalities caused by fatigue are unchanged (13 in the five years prior and 13 in the five years since).

            Prendergast challenged the view that higher limits would reduce fatigue-related crashes.

            “There is no evidence to suggest that increasing speed limits reduces boredom and there is also no evidence to suggest that a reduced speed limit increases fatigue related crashes,” she said....
            So, pertaining to the above, tiny sample size for one and not adjusted per 100,000? And has there been larger trials to actually gain some evidence?

            Sounds like a weak strawman to bother with at any rate. Again, going by this example we actually have data for, can we just go for the fucking efficiency angle considering it isn't actually saving lives or is the E word some fucking bureaucratic taboo that their brain implodes over when contemplating? Gets in the way of some good govco dead horse whipping?

            Also like conflicting voice of reason who gets one line buried in the middle amongst appartchik approved propoganda above.

            University of NSW Professor Mike Regan said inattention was “the biggest contributing factor we know of for crashes”, and that crash analysts oversimplified the role of speeding
            .

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              #7
              Rural limits are high compared to where? The Vatican?
              Originally posted by ahabthearab
              If you're in Amsterdam why the fuck are you even conscious and not in a drug fueled haze bent over with some crackhore hooker jamming a giant black didldo up your arse?

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                #8
                “What we do know is that the speeds on rural roads in Australia are particularly high and in fact should be reduced.”
                Are these cunts for fucking real?

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                  #9
                  “There is no evidence to suggest that increasing speed limits reduces boredom and there is also no evidence to suggest that a reduced speed limit increases fatigue related crashes,” she said....
                  WTF?!?!

                  Traveling faster = Shorter travel time
                  Shorter travel time = less fatigue

                  Could it be anymore simple?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sathanas View Post
                    Rural limits are high compared to where? The Vatican?
                    Originally posted by UZZ31 View Post
                    Are these cunts for fucking real?
                    He can't hear you, obviously artfully sucking his own dick/smelling his own farts.

                    I'm normally a pretty indefatigable defendant of Academic objectivity BUT these cunts really are the artful masters of subjectively manipulating stats and resorting to rhetoric and state cronysim. May his car be crushed for no good reason and doomed to public transport for the disservice he does.

                    What some cunts'll do for tenure I guess. And being largely state funded, old mate at Monash is probably pulling in a few more grants than voice of reason at UNSW. It's this sort of shit that fucks the premise for an otherwise pretty good funding arrangement (if underfunded in a lot of actually useful areas) our education system has.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by plz_2_pimphomo View Post
                      WTF?!?!

                      Traveling faster = Shorter travel time
                      Shorter travel time = less fatigue

                      Could it be anymore simple?
                      its not that simple.

                      faster travel speed requires more concentration, and hence brings fatigue on quicker.

                      having said that, im still in favour of no speed restrictions.
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                        #12
                        Does professor Max Cameron even exist?


                        Edit:

                        Ok found him, there a mobile number

                        http://www.monash.edu.au/research/pe...=8573&pid=5998
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                          #13
                          University of NSW Professor Mike Regan said inattention was “the biggest contributing factor we know of for crashes”, and that crash analysts oversimplified the role of speeding
                          Yep!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by darwinschops View Post
                            I'm normally a pretty indefatigable defendant of Academic objectivity BUT these cunts really are the artful masters of subjectively manipulating stats and resorting to rhetoric and state cronysim.
                            Not quite. Monash is apparently well known in the legal system as the place you go when you need to 'prove' something in court. They're academics for hire; there's no objectivity there, they just get paid by various roads authorities to say whatever political spiel the rosds authorities pay them to say. It's nothing to do with cronyism or state anything, it's pure capitalism.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Forg View Post
                              Not quite. Monash is apparently well known in the legal system as the place you go when you need to 'prove' something in court. They're academics for hire; there's no objectivity there, they just get paid by various roads authorities to say whatever political spiel the rosds authorities pay them to say. It's nothing to do with cronyism or state anything, it's pure capitalism.
                              Like giving them the results and getting them to make a study to prove it.

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