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"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917
"In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
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"You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02
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I present the Elite.Originally posted by Imposter Forg View PostHas there ever been a bad looking Lotus? Even the FWD MX5 Elan looks good.
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917
"In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
(TM - AVENGE)
"You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02
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It's not a thread for arguuing, it's a thread for opinionsOriginally posted by itsnotagsr View PostWhy have a 512BB when you could have a Daytona or Countach?
And my opinion is the Countach isn't pretty, but is definately extreme, and the Daytona, I know they're coveted and awesome etc.... but they've just never done the business for me. Not in road car form anyway. I lightweight racer version - Horn.
Now, for 1979, the Rover SD1 was a flippin fantastic looking car.
And re Lotus, I reckon it's always harder, much harder to make a small car look good, than it is a large car. Very easy to get a small car too "busy" looking. Lotus completely nailed it with the Elan in both the original and the FWD generation I think. I think the FWD version really encompassed some beautiful elements. That man again, Peter Stevens.
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Guess it depends if you're a front or mid/rear engine guy. Apart from the 456, I've always preferred the front engineed Ferraris to the mid engined ones.Originally posted by Marlin View PostIt's not a thread for arguuing, it's a thread for opinions
And my opinion is the Countach isn't pretty, but is definately extreme, and the Daytona, I know they're coveted and awesome etc.... but they've just never done the business for me. Not in road car form anyway. I lightweight racer version - Horn.
As for the Countach, I'd rather the first model Countach (ie without the spoilers to a BB.
My Dad bought one new when we lived in the UK. Broke down on the way from the dealership.Originally posted by Marlin View PostNow, for 1979, the Rover SD1 was a flippin fantastic looking car.
I think this thread needs
A) to be split into a new thread for each decades
B) have a vote."If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917
"In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
(TM - AVENGE)
"You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02
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My Dad and his business partner each bought new ones in 1980. Both were unbelievably reliable for many years, Dad loving his and keeping it for at least 8 years. We even lived on 15klm of corrugated dirt road, and the only thing to fuck out ever was the elec window switches.Originally posted by itsnotagsr View PostMy Dad bought one new when we lived in the UK. Broke down on the way from the dealership.
I think this thread needs
A) to be split into a new thread for each decades
B) have a vote.
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I used to think the original looked dumb & that it sat too high, after being brought-up on pictures of the spoilery ones ... but yeah, definitely changed my mind since then & agree with you.Originally posted by itsnotagsr View PostAs for the Countach, I'd rather the first model Countach (ie without the spoilers to a BB.
The rear wheel-arch shape is still fairly out-there; but it works.
When looking for cheap first cars in the late 80's, they were regulars at auctions & almost always had melted/burned or a 'smoked finish' plastic in/around the centre console.Originally posted by Marlin View PostMy Dad and his business partner each bought new ones in 1980. Both were unbelievably reliable for many years, Dad loving his and keeping it for at least 8 years. We even lived on 15klm of corrugated dirt road, and the only thing to fuck out ever was the elec window switches.Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.
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I guess its all relative to the reliability of other early 80s cars!Originally posted by Marlin View PostMy Dad and his business partner each bought new ones in 1980. Both were unbelievably reliable for many years, Dad loving his and keeping it for at least 8 years. We even lived on 15klm of corrugated dirt road, and the only thing to fuck out ever was the elec window switches.
Like my women, I like my cars with less plastic additions.Originally posted by Forg View PostI used to think the original looked dumb & that it sat too high, after being brought-up on pictures of the spoilery ones ... but yeah, definitely changed my mind since then & agree with you.
The rear wheel-arch shape is still fairly out-there; but it works.
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917
"In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
(TM - AVENGE)
"You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02
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Exactly! To it's credit, it never actually set actual fire so itself. But did "set smoke" to itself on an annual basis.Originally posted by Forg View PostWhen looking for cheap first cars in the late 80's, they were regulars at auctions & almost always had melted/burned or a 'smoked finish' plastic in/around the centre console.
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i think the first version of a car usually is the best, the definitive, the way the designer intended
there are a few exceptions
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By and large I reckon that's right, especially later in a model life when things tend to get wacky new grilles and chrome bits added and strange vents etc just to have some visual difference; but on occasion a later tweak (perhaps by someone else) results in a better looking car.Originally posted by TonyJZX View Posti think the first version of a car usually is the best, the definitive, the way the designer intended
To use Commodores as an example, I'd argue that the subtle changes from VB-VC to VH produced a much better looking car even though the differences really just came down to headlight/grille shape and slightly different taillights. Similarly the VR has aged much better than the VN but on the other hand you wouldn't say that the VP was an improvement on the VN, just different.
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