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    Originally posted by Mr Evo 7 View Post
    In the process of, last I checked.
    http://www.caradvice.com.au/234902/i...-in-australia/

    Done deal in June. It's just that you can't find a seat in Australia with ISOFIX. Well, mine was bought from Japan years ago.

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      Originally posted by Mr Evo 7 View Post
      In the process of, last I checked.
      VF Commodore has ISOFIX as standard:

      http://www.holden.com.au/cars/commodore/safety
      Daily - VF SV6. Former daily,now with more up on blocks
      it lives!!!! - S15 200SX. Weekends - 149 EH Holden Special. Project - EH Premier. More schizo than ever!

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        Originally posted by race6.3l View Post
        With Holden and Ford gone. If you like the sound of a V8, and want a new car, your choices are (from low to high): -SRT-8 300 -Landcruiser workmate single cab -Jeep Grand Cherokee Only other choices under 100g are Landcruiser and Patrol wagons. If you want something that is performance oriented then your choices start at 125g for an M3 or Lexus IS-F. Add 25g for an RS8 or 35g for a base level C63 AMG.
        All of which are bad options, for various reasons

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          Originally posted by Mr Evo 7 View Post
          In the process of, last I checked.
          Our Sept 13 build Cruze has ISOFIX (but none of the ones in the showroom in July did, so obviously a recent change).

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            All good, fellas.

            As I said, last time I looked, there was a mob trying to get it to the point of actually going through parliament, and even getting it rubber-stamped was meant to be a long way off.

            There's likely to be a limited range of ISOFIX seats already on the market now. Although it's somewhat off-topic, I reckon it's a good thing. Just about every second customer car I've worked on with a top-tether seat in it, has needed an adjustment, or proper fitment. Have a few stories to tell on this...

            ISOFIX is meant to minimise the numpty factor in fitting child seats, and supposedly safer.
            Originally posted by brewdles
            In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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              ADRs has a problem with ISOFIX on its own as there is no indicator to show that its locked in properly.
              Which is why its ok to use ISOFIX, but you must also use the top tether (or is it seatbelt?)

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                Originally posted by Falchoon View Post
                Not sure why people like the gerlytrucks so much, probably partly to do with the higher driving position and partly as a more trendy stationwagon alternative.
                Yeah higher driving position so they can see over the top of everyone else's gerlytruk. Like those little balls you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot. That should be on every car!
                as short as possible

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                  Originally posted by Marco_VESS View Post
                  Actually Holden V8 sales trundle along at about the same level year after year oblivious to fuel prices, speed cameras and all the rest of it (if my info is correct). There's a core group of people who want a V8 and that's that. It's just that it won't work if you haven't got a volume selling car to carry the V8 option, it's not viable as a stand alone model.
                  That core group isn't sustainable when you have a heap of work trying to engineer and validate that a particular motor is going to function properly. We can appreciate it's not as simple as sticking in a motor and wire up some ECU to get it running. But to do the full vehicle validation job, it cost a lot of money. Money that's going to be paid by those that bought the V6. So if you're tight on resources, why damage your skinny profitability on a small group of car enthusiast who'd most likely buy a Holden anyhow. The last thing you'd want is to report on loss making variants to head office and having to explain why.

                  Originally posted by Marco_VESS View Post
                  Yeah I know they do, that is what I was getting at - are we better off having people do design and development work here on cars manufactured overseas, or having people build overseas designed cars in a local factory? A small number of highly skilled jobs, or a larger number of factory jobs?
                  TTC-Au isn't going to get any bigger (their building is pretty big already compared to the Sydney office). They're pretty big already for a country like Australia but they aren't the only technical centre that can advise on localisation requirements. Their competition from the US, Japan and Europe is massive and most if not all Chief Engineers are based in Japan. The engineers that design the car are mostly in Japan or US for the Camry and Camry obviously being a big success in the US, anything they say, the Chief Engineer nods which isn't usually the case for other imported vehicles I've been involved with. But even if there was a massive engineering group here telling them they should do something wouldn't hold enough clout to change much unless the US wants it too and that makes total sense. Why change a vehicle for a massive market but only a 1.1 million car market wants some small modifications? Australia, take a ticket and line up in the miscellaneous queue.

                  Same with the design studios here who just crack the double digits in terms of staff. Most hot shot designers know if they are going to get the big dollars as well as the high profile work like say the Supra, Soarer and the first bubble Tarago did for Calty, then they are going to the US or France to get that job. There isn't the budget nor the capabilities nor high profile work here in Australia (IMHO) advance the careers of these really good designers.

                  I'd wish that the plants kept pumping cars here because I've learnt a heap and appreciated a lot on what makes the factory tick whilst working on that side of things that I didn't have to deal with on the imported side especially given I'm not an engineer nor any manufacturing person. It was hell on Earth for me at the time but glad I got through it alive. But on the flip side, businesses don't operation as a charity.

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                    Originally posted by Sturmovik View Post
                    ADRs has a problem with ISOFIX on its own as there is no indicator to show that its locked in properly.
                    Which is why its ok to use ISOFIX, but you must also use the top tether (or is it seatbelt?)
                    It's not really much different to clipping the top-tether into the luggage tie-down in the rear quater panel trim, or just simply tying it in a knot around the headrest, as I've seen in the past. Or not even bothering to use the lap/sash belt at all.
                    Originally posted by brewdles
                    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                      Originally posted by Sturmovik View Post
                      ADRs has a problem with ISOFIX on its own as there is no indicator to show that its locked in properly.
                      Which is why its ok to use ISOFIX, but you must also use the top tether (or is it seatbelt?)
                      Top tether. We've basically taken on the American LATCH setup.

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                        Originally posted by Mr Evo 7 View Post
                        It's not really much different to clipping the top-tether into the luggage tie-down in the rear quater panel trim, or just simply tying it in a knot around the headrest, as I've seen in the past. Or not even bothering to use the lap/sash belt at all.
                        Luggage tie down aren't strength tested.

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                          Originally posted by smellytofu View Post
                          Luggage tie down aren't strength tested.
                          No kidding.
                          Originally posted by brewdles
                          In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                            Originally posted by Sturmovik View Post
                            ADRs has a problem with ISOFIX on its own as there is no indicator to show that its locked in properly.
                            Which is why its ok to use ISOFIX, but you must also use the top tether (or is it seatbelt?)
                            The isofix recaro I got does.
                            Originally posted by Rdyno
                            70ynu has to be the most retarded cunt here. "Help me please" me "you need to remove your head" him "fuck off cunt I'm to lazy fuck off out of my thread you told me to do something I don't want to do so you're a cunt fuck off can some one please tell me an easier way???"
                            Originally posted by Tripper
                            Its a tight battle between you and rogercordia for the most retarded member on here, thou i think you have it by 5 window licks

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                              I don't mean local adaptation work, I mean the sort of work that Ford Australia has done for a while now in designing and engineering cars for other markets, or for the global market. Stuff like the Ranger and the Figo which isn't even sold here. Given we have a solid base of people who can develop a car here, I'm wondering if that is the future.

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                                Originally posted by teamtoken View Post
                                Id say its a mix of higher driving position giving them a weird sense of better road visibility (so long as its in front of you), keeping up with the joneseses, and the fact that everything can be done at waist height instead of having to bend down and over all the time to buckle in kids/get groceries out/whatever else the active mum on the go does. Because women are shit drivers, being able to run over kerbs, up gutters, speedbumps and over your own kids in relative comfort also seals the deal.
                                Originally posted by bugle View Post
                                Yeah higher driving position so they can see over the top of everyone else's gerlytruk. Like those little balls you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot. That should be on every car!
                                ^ yep. Case in point. Guy at work wants a territory because he sees every other couple with a pointless SUV and thinks he needs one too. Never mind that they only have a small toddler, a mortgage and two reliable cars (AU coon and a Mazda6), or the fact that the Territory is worth nothing second hand and has well stated build problems. He wants to be seen driving one to "impress" his family and other consumer buddies. This same guy literally pulled a face when I said "why not buy a second hand falcon station wagon?"

                                Good little proles will keep buying rubbish.
                                Originally posted by Stix Z
                                i'm upset i lost that video of that aboriginal woman taking a dump on a train that was on youtube
                                Originally posted by Jim
                                Sorry, am late to this thread. I have been protesting against whitey oppressors all morning with my people. I shall serenade this thread with my didge until nash comes in and puts it all into perspective.

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