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    Holden's CEO Dave Buttner (ex-Toyota guy who came out of retirement to turn the place around) has just quit.

    The conspiracy theorist in me suspects one of two things is immiment: handing over the Holden name to another company (eg. Inchcape) or GM walking away from Australia altogether,

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      Originally posted by Captain_Slow View Post
      Holden's CEO Dave Buttner (ex-Toyota guy who came out of retirement to turn the place around) has just quit.

      The conspiracy theorist in me suspects one of two things is immiment: handing over the Holden name to another company (eg. Inchcape) or GM walking away from Australia altogether,
      Interesting! Not a job with a long career expectancy - average stint 2.5 years.

      John Bagshaw (Australia) 1987 to 1990
      Bill Hamel (USA) 1990 to 1997
      Jim Wiemels (USA) 1997 to 1999
      Peter Hanenberger (Germany) 1999 to 2003
      Denny Mooney (USA) January 2004 to July 2007
      Chris Gubbey (UK) August 2007 to February 2008
      Mark Reuss (USA) February 2008 to August 2009
      Alan Batey (UK) September 2009 to March 2010
      Mike Devereux (UK born, raised in Canada) March 2010 to December 2013
      Gerry Dorizas (Greece) March 2014 to October 2014
      Jeff Rolfs (Canada), Holden CFO was interim managing director November 2014 to June 2015
      Mark Bernhard (Australia) July 2015 to July 2018
      Dave Buttner (Australia) August 2018 to November 2019

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        Maybe... GM want to close. Have to support warrarnty ATM. Will wait until it dies of it's own accord and close up shop, selling warranties to someone?

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          Originally posted by mizone View Post
          Maybe... GM want to close. Have to support warrarnty ATM. Will wait until it dies of it's own accord and close up shop, selling warranties to someone?
          Yep. I reckon the strategy is purely wait & see. If Holden can stay afloat they will be happy to leave them be. If it becomes a loss maker they will close up shop.

          Harrop are doing LS powered Colorados - would do wonders for ZB image if Holden/HSV could do similar.

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            If GM can sell their entire European operation, they could give two farks for Australia.
            "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917

            "In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
            (TM - AVENGE)

            "You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
            Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02

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              HSV cant move the Camaro let alone a V8 converted ZB.
              I climbed Mt Druitt

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                It seems the story might be simply that its November sales were down 48% on 2018, and once again out of the Top 10. Apparently something like 2800 sales all up for the month.

                Remember when selling three times that many Commodores in a month was regular business?

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                  Originally posted by Captain_Slow View Post
                  Holden's CEO Dave Buttner (ex-Toyota guy who came out of retirement to turn the place around) has just quit.

                  The conspiracy theorist in me suspects one of two things is immiment: handing over the Holden name to another company (eg. Inchcape) or GM walking away from Australia altogether,
                  I feel sorry for him. There’s not much anyone could do to reverse Holden’s fall down the sales charts.
                  Sutherland Shires #1 Escort? is that like being the 4th best prostitute in Kazahkstan?

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                    Originally posted by bigshipengine.jpg View Post
                    HSV cant move the Camaro let alone a V8 converted ZB.
                    100k isn't the price point people want their V8 at.
                    Originally posted by brasher
                    TJ is 99% African American.

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                      ZL1 in Cockburn Holden dealer with fuck all km's for $80k. I'm tempted but scared after reading the comments about the Camaro conversions elsewhere in this thread.

                      Edit: The ZL1 is sold... Just did a check and the SS are selling for $69k on the road over here.
                      Last edited by mizone; 03-12-19, 11:00 PM.

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                        Theyve had 5 Camaros sitting out the front of Pennant Hills Holden unloved for awhile now in what would have to be one of the most visible spots to as many people as possible in the entire country. Driving past again today whats the bet there all still there. Who really thought they could move them given Mustangs price?
                        I climbed Mt Druitt

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                          Lol at the fuckwit who thought that business case up

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                            Camaro is pretty irrelevant to Holden's broader problems though (particularly as it isn't Holden that's selling it).

                            What has been missed in some of the commentary is that the model range itself has been shrinking, so some of the sales drop comes from that. Spark, Barina and Astra sedan and wagon have all gone in the past year. Apparently the next Trax won't be offered in RHD either.

                            That leaves just five models - Astra hatch, ZB, Equinox, Acadia and Colorado. And if we're honest, only Colorado seems to have any buyer appeal. (I like the Acadia but I rarely see any...)

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                              Originally posted by Captain_Slow View Post
                              That leaves just five models - Astra hatch, ZB, Equinox, Acadia and Colorado. And if we're honest, only Colorado seems to have any buyer appeal. (I like the Acadia but I rarely see any...)
                              Setting aside the fact that by the definition of an SUV it's not possible for an Acadia to be good … if it compares well in it's market-segment & yet isn't selling, that's an indication of either how rooted Holden is or the result of a Ford Oz-esque inability to market vehicles.
                              Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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                                Every car listed has something at a similar price point that is either better, has better buyer appeal, or both.
                                Originally posted by brasher
                                TJ is 99% African American.

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