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    #61
    Originally posted by TonyJZX View Post
    its too late for Holden and Ford and you can blame the parent for stifling any hope of expanding out of Australia
    It is a bit tough trying to blame that on the parent companies, I would imagine that they had very little to do with the value of the Aus$ and setting of tariffs in export countries. For example our "free trade" agreements with Thailand means that they can sell their cars here and cop a 0-5% tariff try doing it back to them and our cars attract a "tax" up to 80%.
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      #62
      Trying to rationalise the car market is an exercise in futility, for a lot of people a car is much more than just transportation although even then facts do not always rule. So lets get real, as I said before, Holdens or Fords are not fashionable or desirable in the sense of status.
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        #63
        Originally posted by 260DET View Post
        So lets get real, as I said before, Holdens or Fords are not fashionable or desirable in the sense of status.
        Then what is?
        Unless your talking Euro junk everyone seems to be on the same playing field

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          #64
          Originally posted by Marco_VESS View Post
          Then what is the right car?
          Ironically they made one ... but the cockheads had to not keep it real and stick 11ty billion horsepower into it rather than the smaller brother 3.2 V6 and still can't understand why the modest people, who make up he bulk of car sales, flock to Toyota.

          http://www.holden.com.au/concept-cars/torana-tt36-

          http://www.google.com.hk/search?neww...KISfkQWF54CgBg

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            #65
            Originally posted by 260DET View Post
            Yep, it's called 'Territory".
            Exactly. Those sold quite well, before they became 10 years old.

            Originally posted by cheapracer View Post
            Ironically they made one ... but the cockheads had to not keep it real and stick 11ty billion horsepower into it rather than the smaller brother 3.2 V6 and still can't understand why the modest people, who make up he bulk of car sales, flock to Toyota.

            http://www.holden.com.au/concept-cars/torana-tt36-

            http://www.google.com.hk/search?neww...KISfkQWF54CgBg
            A car costs the same for Holden to build as a Commodore.
            People aren't buying a 'Torana' if it costs like a Commodore.
            Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Forg View Post
              Probably a gerlytruk, but one which uses shitloads of componentry with a Commode.
              Like how all Subarus are the same.
              It's a bit wrong though to take a perfectly good car, add some weight, raise the centre of gravity and make it handle worse.
              as short as possible

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                #67
                Originally posted by bugle View Post
                It's a bit wrong though to take a perfectly good car, add some weight, raise the centre of gravity and make it handle worse.
                While this is true from a conceptual POV, it seems to sell heaps of Klugers & RAV4's & IX35's & Foresters & CX5's etc.
                And every other "SUV" is worse.
                If we're talking sales ... meh, the buyers are 'tards, suck shit to them if what they want is just rubbish & they happily pay for rubbish.
                Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Forg View Post

                  A car costs the same for Holden to build as a Commodore.
                  People aren't buying a mid sized car if it costs like a Commodore.
                  You work for Holden obviously - please open your window and look out onto the road, people already do.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Forg View Post
                    While this is true from a conceptual POV, it seems to sell heaps of Klugers & RAV4's & IX35's & Foresters & CX5's etc.
                    And every other "SUV" is worse.
                    If we're talking sales ... meh, the buyers are 'tards, suck shit to them if what they want is just rubbish & they happily pay for rubbish.
                    Not one of those cars was in the top 10 in October why bother doing all of that work to achieve less sales.

                    Originally posted by cheapracer View Post
                    You work for Holden obviously - please open your window and look out onto the road, people already do.
                    Not a single mid sized car in the top 10 in October, why bother.
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by RESON8 View Post
                      Not a single mid sized car in the top 10 in October, why bother.
                      Camry classifies as mid size:p (Even though it's the same car as the aurion). Dual cab utes flying out the door, 4 of the top 10 cars are fucking shitty live axle utes.
                      If in doubt power out

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by bugle View Post
                        It's a bit wrong though to take a perfectly good car, add some weight, raise the centre of gravity and make it handle worse.
                        Who gives a toss about how a car handles except for what is instilled into your brain via TV commercial? How many drivers even come remotely close to ever experiencing lets say, 0.3Gs?

                        The answer is virtually none and at the end of the day no one actually gives a shit this side of actual car enthusiasts how a cars performs in relation to roadholding and if you ask an average person how their car "handles" they will immediately refer to weight of steering and ease of driving - not even remotely refering to sliding a car down a mountain road in 3rd at 120.

                        Of course this comment doesn't fit into a forum about performance cars but for the majority of plebs it's the truth, they are just cars and Holden need to stop over-catering for 1% of the market. Note the biggest selling Holden by far was probably also the worst handling (HQ).

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by RESON8 View Post
                          Not one of those cars was in the top 10 in October why bother doing all of that work to achieve less sales.
                          It's still an increasing segment ... do what Subaru or Toyota does & produce different exterior panels (without any styling effort for Kluger or Forester or RAV4) on top of something that already exists, increase sales volumes with no effort.
                          Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Forg View Post
                            It's still an increasing segment ... .

                            ... at Holden's cost.

                            Meh, my idea of a mid size car is a Corolla and upwards including Mazda 3 and Cruze, I had KE20 and KE30 Corollas and thats what I call a small car.


                            Originally posted by Rona View Post
                            4 of the top 10 cars are fucking shitty live axle utes.
                            ... and yet Holden feel it's a requirement to spend on developing IRS for their utes.

                            With the massively increased weights of safe cars these days, the unsprung weight factor of a live axle is far less of an issue than it once was and the Ford Mustang proves 2 things, a live axle is fine and the Internet is full of fuckwits who think it's not.

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                              #74
                              Just look at what IRS did for the MKIII Supra!
                              Cant even skid the things lol

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by cheapracer View Post
                                You work for Holden obviously - please open your window and look out onto the road, people already do.
                                I think what Forg meant (correct me if I'm wrong) is that it cost not much more to build a real mid size car than it does a large car yet you can charge more for a large car because that's what the market accepts. Why do you think Toyota stopped making Corolla way back when.

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