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    Originally posted by ENGINR View Post
    We also started saying "I want more money to buy this cheap stuff and I'm worth it so give it to me" and we got it. Before people go bagging Holden workers for earning too much coin - why not walk into your boss's office and say "I don't want that raise - I'm doing my bit to get the cost of living down, in fact - take money AWAY from me - reduce my salary". If we all did that and our overall labor rates went down, perhaps things would be different and we'd be considered a low cost country again. Do you recall that Holden workers voted to knock back a raise in salary not so long ago?
    The other big problem in Australia with cost of living is people will pay the ridiculous pricing industry sets, as an example they had a coffee shop here in Perth selling $7.00 coffees, they asked why they were that much and their reply was "because that's what people will pay". BMW Australia sell the M3 for AUD$155,000 yet it's US$60,000 in America, they do this because they know they'll sell every allocation they have because we'll pay it, $40 steaks in Perth etc, probably not the best examples but examples non the less.

    For us to lower our standard of living all we have to do is refuse to pay the ridiculous prices we do, stop accepting them as the norm and companies lower their prices when they can't sell their product (unfortunately we can't do the electricity or water, and when you have a supply shortage like rent).
    Originally posted by Mr Purple
    Wow. This guy was laughed off boost cruising and he shows up here, It's like getting beaten up by a two year old and then taking on an 800 pound gorilla.

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      Gee, simplistic argument comparing our pay rates with overseas - have you ever stopped to think why our pay levels are relatively high? Because the cost of living in this country is one of the highest in the world! And Why would a young bloke work as a courier for $19/hr when he can pull 3 or 4 times that in the mines? And why be surprised we get stuff from overseas when the Aussie consumer gets price gouged at every turn?

      Hmm It's almost as if there are multiple forces working in an economy... How about that?

      [edit] holy fuck I just agreed with BuckNasty...worlds collide, etc
      Originally posted by Jim
      I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.

      Originally posted by elfturbomax
      What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.

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        Originally posted by 260DET View Post
        Australian auto workers are the second highest paid on average $50 an hour,
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        Bullshit, a lot of engineers in auto don't even make that.

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          It might add up to $50/hr when all entitlements are factored in?

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            Originally posted by irsa76 View Post
            Wouldn't it be the other way with the Camry/Aurion? Only Aurions I've seen have been Canberra Toyota demos!
            Toyota dont make any money selling Camrys at $30k, their break even point is quite above that.

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              Originally posted by perthdrivers.jpg View Post
              Gee, simplistic argument comparing our pay rates with overseas - have you ever stopped to think why our pay levels are relatively high? Because the cost of living in this country is one of the highest in the world! And Why would a young bloke work as a courier for $19/hr when he can pull 3 or 4 times that in the mines? And why be surprised we get stuff from overseas when the Aussie consumer gets price gouged at every turn?
              Unfortunately I think "we" (aussies) have become too good for those lowly paying bottom dweller jobs (no offense to anyone in those jobs). See how the bulk of those jobs (couriers/pizza delivery/cab driver 7-11 etc etc) are taken by "imports" who just want to earn a living and have to start somewhere, where as "we" are too good for those roles and want to walk straight out of high school into a nice corner office/senior mining job paying ridiculous amounts with great benefits.

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                Originally posted by ENGINR View Post
                Mate - you don't know shit and watch who you go calling a maggot - I'm one of those guys working there earning more than $75K and you have no idea how hard I've had to bust my guts to earn anywhere near. Also - in other (non Holden affiliated) workshops, fully qualified mechanics can earn $95-$100 hour - that's more than what I get per hour as a qualified Mechanical Engineer!

                Before everybody goes bagging GM for deciding it's too expensive to build cars here anymore - just take a step back and look at the car in your driveway - is it an import? Go sit in front of your TV - where did it come from? What about the tools in your shed - were they made in Australia??

                WE helped create this situation - we stamped our feet and pouted like children and said "We want stuff CHEAP and we want it NOW" and we have been given what we wanted. As a result - we have over 60 brands of cars being sold here with stuff-all tax on them, we have free-trade agreements with countries who don't reciprocate. Do you think that sort of shit would fly in places like China or Japan? Or America? No way. Japanese people pay more for rice because their government refuses to allow import rice into the country and will only allow rice grown in Japan to be sold. The people pay a premium for their own product but it keeps the economy and farmers going.

                We also started saying "I want more money to buy this cheap stuff and I'm worth it so give it to me" and we got it. Before people go bagging Holden workers for earning too much coin - why not walk into your boss's office and say "I don't want that raise - I'm doing my bit to get the cost of living down, in fact - take money AWAY from me - reduce my salary". If we all did that and our overall labor rates went down, perhaps things would be different and we'd be considered a low cost country again. Do you recall that Holden workers voted to knock back a raise in salary not so long ago?

                I'll be losing my job in the near future through no fault of my own - I've given 12 years of blood, sweat and tears to Holden and it's all amounted to nothing - no career prospects, no long term plans, no opportunity to progress.

                Out of interest do you own what you build or engineer eg Cruze or Commodore ?

                I found it interesting that when they were interviewing departing Ford & now Holden employees they were driving anything but their own product. If the workers are not prepared to purchase a (insert Australian car here) what do you expect from the punters ?

                As for entitlements my no pics was made redundnat recently after 13 years at a petroleum company. She had 3 months lead time and got a job prior to leaving and took a month off. Part of her package was a redeployment outsourcing thing where they help you with your resume, interview skills etc....she did this for one week ( was for 3 months) and it was filled with public servants, banking people etc.....I'm sure GMH will offer this as well but why does the government have to add to this as well to retrain people ?

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                  Originally posted by Roadsailing View Post
                  Bullshit, a lot of engineers in auto don't even make that.
                  It was in the paper so it must be right :p As Sturmo said and the German figure includes entitlements so I'd assume the Aussie figure does too. How about those Murricans though, no Medicare for a start.
                  Richard's DatsunZ lappin LakesidZ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OSh...&feature=g-upl

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                    if they're selling a cruze for $22.5k retail i'd love to see what the employee rate is
                    Originally posted by boxxx

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                    ACA/TT: Where's the line between a car enthusiast and hoon? There is none

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                      Originally posted by perthdrivers.jpg View Post
                      Gee, simplistic argument comparing our pay rates with overseas - have you ever stopped to think why our pay levels are relatively high? Because the cost of living in this country is one of the highest in the world! And Why would a young bloke work as a courier for $19/hr when he can pull 3 or 4 times that in the mines? And why be surprised we get stuff from overseas when the Aussie consumer gets price gouged at every turn?

                      Hmm It's almost as if there are multiple forces working in an economy... How about that?

                      [edit] holy fuck I just agreed with BuckNasty...worlds collide, etc

                      Like it or not pay rates are relevant when the global market is at work, something Messrs Hawke and Keating introduced us too. You union blokes have your head in the sand if you think that they are not relevant.
                      Richard's DatsunZ lappin LakesidZ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OSh...&feature=g-upl

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                        Originally posted by 260DET View Post
                        It was in the paper so it must be right :p As Sturmo said and the German figure includes entitlements so I'd assume the Aussie figure does too. How about those Murricans though, no Medicare for a start.
                        lets just say I'm "close to the industry" so have a reasonable idea what the people on the line make. The US figures are interesting, think it's mentioned in this thread but the UAW in the states recently agreed to halving the rate of pay for juniors, before that i think the minimum was $28 an hour, which for the USA is/was insanely high.

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                          Originally posted by TonyJZX View Post
                          if they're selling a cruze for $22.5k retail i'd love to see what the employee rate is
                          20.5k on the Holden website, which is 6k cheaper than here !!

                          Don't mention the adBlocker !!

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                            Originally posted by Roadsailing View Post
                            lets just say I'm "close to the industry" so have a reasonable idea what the people on the line make. The US figures are interesting, think it's mentioned in this thread but the UAW in the states recently agreed to halving the rate of pay for juniors, before that i think the minimum was $28 an hour, which for the USA is/was insanely high.
                            I'm not saying that Aussie auto industry workers are overpaid but their pay is what it is and it's uncompetitive in a global market. Cost of living in this country is ridiculous although we do get some helpful benefits like Medicare. Cost of housing for a start but that is too tough for the pollies of any party.
                            Richard's DatsunZ lappin LakesidZ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OSh...&feature=g-upl

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                              Originally posted by Sloth View Post
                              wow, looking at some of the wages in here, i think im getting ripped off. $21p/h for a fully qualified 11 year experienced machanic. and thats at main dealer. id fucken love $27 bux. time to watch biccies methinks. as for all the cunts at holden on 75,000, its your fault you maggots.
                              I'm hearing you, mate.

                              All the smart (read: who you know, not what you know) guys fucked off years ago, so all that were left were guys like you and I, and the deadshits the dealership scraped the bottom of the barrel to find, to at least get guys on the tools. Even the office staff are better paid than the guys on the tools, who are actually generating the income for the business.

                              The wages for unskilled labour has definately fucked everything. The sooner there's a backflip on it, and a decent wage increase on trade-qualified people, the better off we'll be.
                              Originally posted by brewdles
                              In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                                Originally posted by 260DET View Post
                                Like it or not pay rates are relevant when the global market is at work, something Messrs Hawke and Keating introduced us too. You union blokes have your head in the sand if you think that they are not relevant.
                                I'm not saying they are not relevant, I'm saying they are higher than other countries for a shitload more reasons than just blaming it on unions.

                                Lower base pay rates for low-end work across the country without doing anything to fix the cost of living here and it will be a negative outcome for everyone.
                                Originally posted by Jim
                                I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.

                                Originally posted by elfturbomax
                                What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.

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