New MCM series - 11sec subaru build. Bald PFer content.

[tim510]

you don't solder solid deutsch connectors like al was using. They are are to be done with a indent crimper. Deutsch also make terminals that can be crimped.

As cracka said, crimping and crimping well are very different things.

FWIW depending on the application, I use a combination of both methods.

[tim510]

but twisting introduces acids into the metal that will cause possible corrosion and failure in the next millenium!

[Gammaboy]

you don't solder solid deutsch connectors like al was using. They are are to be done with a indent crimper. Deutsch also make terminals that can be crimped.

As cracka said, crimping and crimping well are very different things.

FWIW depending on the application, I use a combination of both methods.

True - those socket type deutsch and Amphenols aren't really intended for solder, but can be soldered in a pinch (ie, some fucker has knocked off your crimper).

Most Milspec connectors have permanently installed pins that you have to solder to - they're a cunt to work with if you're replacing a wire in the middle....

[The Pupat]

you don't solder solid deutsch connectors like al was using. They are are to be done with a indent crimper. Deutsch also make terminals that can be crimped.

As cracka said, crimping and crimping well are very different things.

FWIW depending on the application, I use a combination of both methods.

Yeah I didn't mean when pinning connectors then you'd want to crimp the proper pins on, and preferably with the proper tool. You even want to crimp if you are bootlacing wire as that's how they are designed to work.

I meant these things for actually joining wires, they're shit and I can't see how solder and heat shrink wouldn't be better.

[crack]

there are OEM crimp splices that you can use in place of that shit

[10sec rx7]

solder is ok as long as it is done right.. in a bundle of wires on a loom etc its not normally a problem as it will be supported etc..

im and yet to come across any problems caused by wires that have been soldered.. but i have come across shit loads of problems when connectors have been used..

[RESON8]

I was always thought it was best to crimp for the mechanical join and then solder for the electrical connection but don't it run down the wire.

[Asteroid]

Yeah I didn't mean when pinning connectors then you'd want to crimp the proper pins on, and preferably with the proper tool. You even want to crimp if you are bootlacing wire as that's how they are designed to work.

I meant these things for actually joining wires, they're shit and I can't see how solder and heat shrink wouldn't be better.

There is nothing wrong with these: if the crimps are of good quality, are correctly sized for the wire and are crimped with a good ratchet crimper. However the crimps and the crimper cost money. This sort of connector is absolutely standard in mains electrics.

[cracka]

mains electrics isnt in a 120 deg C environment rattling around nonstop.

[Gammaboy]

mains electrics isnt in a 120 deg C environment rattling around nonstop.

Most of an engine bay isn't a 120*C environment.

[The Pupat]

This sort of connector is absolutely standard in mains electrics.

AS3000 Compliant and commonly used by cable jerkers doesn't make it best practice.

[sssgtr]

I have the same crimper that Al uses (same type, different brand); they indent the solid terminals in 8 places on the terminal barrel.

Very fucking strong.

[sssgtr]

There is nothing wrong with these: if the crimps are of good quality, are correctly sized for the wire and are crimped with a good ratchet crimper. However the crimps and the crimper cost money. This sort of connector is absolutely standard in mains electrics.

Dude, they are fucking garbage for cars.

Should be soldering joins and heatshrinking instead of using those things.

They're up there with those bloody vampire taps.

[Billzilla]

So to sum up ...
If solder joints are done properly they aren't a problem, if they aren't done properly they are a problem.
If crimp joints are done properly they aren't a problem, if they aren't done properly they are a problem.

That sound about right?

[Dogsballs]

So to sum up ...
If solder joints are done properly they aren't a problem, if they aren't done properly they are a problem.
If crimp joints are done properly they aren't a problem, if they aren't done properly they are a problem.

That sound about right?

what did they do back in your day bill?!